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re: Zion's bubble injury kept secret from team(coaches)?
Posted on 9/23/21 at 11:23 am to Fun Bunch
Posted on 9/23/21 at 11:23 am to Fun Bunch
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Benson/Lauscha have to realize the differences between the NFL and NBA.
This might be where the rubber meets the road.
Those guys have been successful in a better and more popular league.
They're older too. Hard to start being dictated to by some 20-something idiot and his conman agent when you've been calling the shots for two decades.
Honestly, don't know if I could stomach it. It's a tough pill to swallow to have to give in to the demands of morons.
Posted on 9/23/21 at 11:33 am to Bronc
Well, Jake actually talked to Christian Clark about the story, and it's possible that Christian and/or Jake know stuff about the situation that they couldn't verify and which makes everything much worse than what's reported. So, I don't rule out that Griff could be royally screwing everything up.
But the fact that Griff and Zion don't actually talk much, and the silliness of the piano thing (and we absolutely don't know the context of that), are not a big deal. Zion needs a relationship with his head coach, and it's good if develops relationships with his teammates and the assistant coaches. If Griffin and he don't relate well, then Trajan can talk with Zion when necessary. None of that is a problem as long as the relationship isn't toxic, and everything that we have heard says that this is not the case -- that Zion's problem with the organization is simply that they didn't put a winning team and coach around him last season.
Again, though, it's possible that Christian/Jake know stuff that they can't put into print or on the air. But based on what we actually know, whether Zion stays or goes is ultimately going to depend on Willie Green, Jaxson Hayes, NAW, Naji, Trey Murphy, BI, Jonas, Kira, etc.
In other words, if the players that we have drafted and traded for perform as we hope (and if Green is a good coach), then Zion is going to be here for many years, and the team will be a contender in a few years.
But if Trey Murphy turns into a bust, if NAW tears an achilles, if Jaxson gets into a fight with a teammate and breaks his jaw, and/or if Jonas and Graham simply suck the way that Bledsoe and Adams did, then David Griffin is going to get fired, and we stand a good chance of losing Zion.
But Zion was always going to leave if we didn't put a winning team around him. That's always been true.
So, Bronc, I don't think of myself as a Griff stan. He's struck out bigtime with SVG, Adams, Melli, and Bledsoe. We lost a great opportunity with Christian Wood. I thought some of those decisions made sense at the time, but GMs get judged by how those decisions work out.
On the other hand, some things have worked out very well. Getting BI in the AD trade worked very well, assembling quality assistants and support staff, etc. So far, it seems that we have drafted very well in Jaxson, NAW, Kira, and Murphy. I still see the potential for those players to become the kind of players that can turn the Pels into contenders, and of course, we still have picks to make another big trade in a year or two to put us over the top.
So, I think that I'm being objective about the job that David Griffin has done. I don't get paid to say great things about him.
But the fact that Griff and Zion don't actually talk much, and the silliness of the piano thing (and we absolutely don't know the context of that), are not a big deal. Zion needs a relationship with his head coach, and it's good if develops relationships with his teammates and the assistant coaches. If Griffin and he don't relate well, then Trajan can talk with Zion when necessary. None of that is a problem as long as the relationship isn't toxic, and everything that we have heard says that this is not the case -- that Zion's problem with the organization is simply that they didn't put a winning team and coach around him last season.
Again, though, it's possible that Christian/Jake know stuff that they can't put into print or on the air. But based on what we actually know, whether Zion stays or goes is ultimately going to depend on Willie Green, Jaxson Hayes, NAW, Naji, Trey Murphy, BI, Jonas, Kira, etc.
In other words, if the players that we have drafted and traded for perform as we hope (and if Green is a good coach), then Zion is going to be here for many years, and the team will be a contender in a few years.
But if Trey Murphy turns into a bust, if NAW tears an achilles, if Jaxson gets into a fight with a teammate and breaks his jaw, and/or if Jonas and Graham simply suck the way that Bledsoe and Adams did, then David Griffin is going to get fired, and we stand a good chance of losing Zion.
But Zion was always going to leave if we didn't put a winning team around him. That's always been true.
So, Bronc, I don't think of myself as a Griff stan. He's struck out bigtime with SVG, Adams, Melli, and Bledsoe. We lost a great opportunity with Christian Wood. I thought some of those decisions made sense at the time, but GMs get judged by how those decisions work out.
On the other hand, some things have worked out very well. Getting BI in the AD trade worked very well, assembling quality assistants and support staff, etc. So far, it seems that we have drafted very well in Jaxson, NAW, Kira, and Murphy. I still see the potential for those players to become the kind of players that can turn the Pels into contenders, and of course, we still have picks to make another big trade in a year or two to put us over the top.
So, I think that I'm being objective about the job that David Griffin has done. I don't get paid to say great things about him.
This post was edited on 9/23/21 at 11:45 am
Posted on 9/23/21 at 12:57 pm to GOP_Tiger
In regards to the winning fixes things...Yes. But also not entirely.
I agree it doesn't matter that much if Griff and Zion don't have a buddy buddy relationship. But you also don't want it to be weird. I can tell you for a fact Zion found the piano thing weird. Off putting.
You can win (or be at a thriving company) but if you don't like your boss/environment/culture you'll still want out. So, you can call it silly or trivial but doing strange shite that makes people feel weird negates winning to an extent.
That's not even getting into looking at how the culture Griff is trying to build hasn't even remotely happened. Staffers making fun of you in group texts isn't a good thing. Saying FAMILY and then saying bad things about Gentry behind his back goes against that culture.
So, yes, we'll deal with Zion when we see him Monday. And I'd like him around the team much more. But is it he never wanted to be here or maybe Griff hasn't built a place where Zion wants to be.
I agree it doesn't matter that much if Griff and Zion don't have a buddy buddy relationship. But you also don't want it to be weird. I can tell you for a fact Zion found the piano thing weird. Off putting.
You can win (or be at a thriving company) but if you don't like your boss/environment/culture you'll still want out. So, you can call it silly or trivial but doing strange shite that makes people feel weird negates winning to an extent.
That's not even getting into looking at how the culture Griff is trying to build hasn't even remotely happened. Staffers making fun of you in group texts isn't a good thing. Saying FAMILY and then saying bad things about Gentry behind his back goes against that culture.
So, yes, we'll deal with Zion when we see him Monday. And I'd like him around the team much more. But is it he never wanted to be here or maybe Griff hasn't built a place where Zion wants to be.
This post was edited on 9/23/21 at 1:03 pm
Posted on 9/23/21 at 12:59 pm to NolaJake
In terms of the player stuff. I think it's an even mix of good and bad. I agree he's drafted reasonably well. We'll kinda get an answer to that this season with Jax and NAW taking bigger roles. They live up to the expectations and he gets a great grade there.
But the other stuff has been BAD. SVG was a BAD hire. Trading a pick to get Steven Adams, giving him an extension, then trading another pick to move off of him was terrible. You say they still have assets to make a move and they do, but I'd rather have more assets to make that move.
And that's not even counting that right now they can use relevant picks to make a move at the trade deadline this year.
But the other stuff has been BAD. SVG was a BAD hire. Trading a pick to get Steven Adams, giving him an extension, then trading another pick to move off of him was terrible. You say they still have assets to make a move and they do, but I'd rather have more assets to make that move.
And that's not even counting that right now they can use relevant picks to make a move at the trade deadline this year.
Posted on 9/23/21 at 1:31 pm to NolaJake
I really think Griffin can't recover, regardless of the results.
Ok you're winning, but the POBO is still a weirdo that no one likes or respects.
Might have to shift to Langdon.
Ok you're winning, but the POBO is still a weirdo that no one likes or respects.
Might have to shift to Langdon.
Posted on 9/23/21 at 2:07 pm to Fun Bunch
Well, to be successful, it's obvious that Griff will have to continue with allowing Trajan and Swin to help make major decisions.
We saw that with the Willie Green hiring, and it's obviously essential if some of Griff's earlier actions cost him some respect with some staffers.
We saw that with the Willie Green hiring, and it's obviously essential if some of Griff's earlier actions cost him some respect with some staffers.
Posted on 9/23/21 at 3:09 pm to GOP_Tiger
I am in no way invested in Zion. I love his play on the court, when he actually plays, but I cannot recall a more meh athlete representing New Orleans. At least Eric Gordon told us all he fricking hated it here. Zion is just there. For a guy with a million dollar personality, he sure disappears when he should be out doing PR.
I guess it is the small market fan in me, but if he don't want to be here, he can frick off.
I guess it is the small market fan in me, but if he don't want to be here, he can frick off.
This post was edited on 9/23/21 at 3:20 pm
Posted on 9/23/21 at 3:35 pm to saints5021
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I guess it is the small market fan in me, but if he don't want to be here, he can frick off.
Yeah, I mean, like I was saying last night, it's not the doomsday outcome some seem to imply.
If things cross into irreversibly toxic(and I still take the position we really shouldnt assume that til this season plays out), as long as we move proactively, this team could recover, and recover better than many expect.
Zion would get you a MASSIVE haul. Easily surpass every prior superstar deal if you did it right. And with it you could conceivably build a team around BI that is at a minimum, consistently competitive.
You might not have a top 10 talent, but you could very realistically get yourself a perennial 7-4 seed roster. And TBH, I would take that as a fan of this team.
This post was edited on 9/23/21 at 3:37 pm
Posted on 9/23/21 at 3:42 pm to Bronc
I know most don't want to trade him and I'm not there yet, but I'm getting close.
But let's just say we do...
What could we get?
If we do trade him, I think we need to just bide our time until you can find a foreigner without the attitude of today's American NBA player.
Our only chance at keeping a superstar is to find someone like Giannis, Dirk, Duncan.
We'll be in the same boat in two years with some clown that wants to moonlight as a rapper or fashion designer in L.A.
But let's just say we do...
What could we get?
If we do trade him, I think we need to just bide our time until you can find a foreigner without the attitude of today's American NBA player.
Our only chance at keeping a superstar is to find someone like Giannis, Dirk, Duncan.
We'll be in the same boat in two years with some clown that wants to moonlight as a rapper or fashion designer in L.A.
Posted on 9/23/21 at 4:09 pm to shel311
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Yep. Phoenix was a dumpster fire and the owner was one of the worst owners in all of sports...until he wasn't when they started winning.
After he hired james jones and all those guys. Griffen sucks and always has.
Posted on 9/23/21 at 4:15 pm to Chalkywhite84
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Griffen sucks and always has.
I had concerns about him based on the terrible drafting he did with Cleveland and some of the shitty contracts he doled out there.
I gave him the benefit of the doubt based on his ability to talk a good game and I just put much of the blame on bitch arse Lebron.
Looks like the real truth is they're both dipshits.
Posted on 9/24/21 at 6:15 am to TigerinATL
Posting an IG saying “ready for the season with my boys” isn’t too much to ask
Posted on 9/24/21 at 8:37 am to saints5021
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. For a guy with a million dollar personality, he sure disappears when he should be out doing PR.
This is a pretty perplexing thing.
He is a megawatt, international star.
And is an almost total zero in NOLA. No presence. Never here. No local appearances, endorsements.
Just a non-factor locally but a megastar nationwide.
Posted on 9/24/21 at 8:57 am to Fun Bunch
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Jake Madison @NOLAJake 54s
From what I gather Zion is pretty much fine with the Pelicans and New Orleans. He just has issues with Griff. So if they find a way to handle that then this could start to go away. And, of course, if the team actually wins
Posted on 9/24/21 at 8:59 am to TigerinATL
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pretty much fine with the Pelicans and New Orleans.
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He just has issues with Griff. So if they find a way to handle that
There's a pretty full proof way to handle this
Posted on 9/24/21 at 9:56 am to TigerinATL
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So if they find a way to handle that then this could start to go away.
If this means firing Griff, then David your last paycheck will arrive via FedEx in 3-5 business days and HR will send out an invite shortly regarding your exit interview. Please return all company owned piano sheet music before departure. Trajan should be in touch regarding job handover.
Posted on 9/24/21 at 10:43 am to LesGeaux45
Griffin should have been fired when he told Mrs. Benson that she would be eating 4 years of Ron Jeremy's salary.
Posted on 9/24/21 at 10:47 am to Fun Bunch
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So if they find a way to handle that
Pels Talk about to take Griffin fishin
Posted on 9/24/21 at 11:03 am to LesGeaux45
If any part of Langdon actually liked the Adams transaction, the Bledsoe deal, or keeping Bledsoe over George Hill...and he wasn't quietly cursing Griffin's name behind his back, then I don't feel great about him either.
Putting Steven Adams next to Zion wasn't just a bad move, its a total misunderstanding of what NBA basketball is in 2021. There's literally no world in which Milwaukee trades a first round pick for Adams, and extends him, to put him next to Giannis.
And unless Valanciunas turns into Brook Lopez, we just tripled down on another terrible fit at center next to Zion. Its even worse because Dell gifted them the perfect stretch center and they dumped him to keep Jahlil Okafor.
Putting Steven Adams next to Zion wasn't just a bad move, its a total misunderstanding of what NBA basketball is in 2021. There's literally no world in which Milwaukee trades a first round pick for Adams, and extends him, to put him next to Giannis.
And unless Valanciunas turns into Brook Lopez, we just tripled down on another terrible fit at center next to Zion. Its even worse because Dell gifted them the perfect stretch center and they dumped him to keep Jahlil Okafor.
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