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Posted on 9/16/21 at 11:06 am
Posted by ChairmanOfThisBoard
Member since Mar 2010
133 posts
Posted on 9/16/21 at 11:06 am
My nephew will soon be graduating with his Masters in Accounting and has began the process of interviewing for a job. He is leaning toward taking a position as an auditor with a medium to large accounting firm. He interviewed with a firm based in BR that employees a little over 100 accountants. He mentioned that this firm has over 30 partners. I am not very familiar with the industry, but that seems a bit excessive for a firm that size. Is that ratio normal? Is that something he should concern himself with?
Posted by Funky Tide 8
Tittleman's Crest
Member since Feb 2009
52808 posts
Posted on 9/16/21 at 11:07 am to
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ChairmanOfTheBored

This post was edited on 9/16/21 at 11:08 am
Posted by 777Tiger
Member since Mar 2011
73856 posts
Posted on 9/16/21 at 11:09 am to
quote:

Is that something he should concern himself with?



maybe something he should concern himself with
Posted by The Spleen
Member since Dec 2010
38865 posts
Posted on 9/16/21 at 11:10 am to
That is normal, and there are different levels of partners. A lot of those are probably junior partners.
Posted by jordan21210
Member since Apr 2009
13398 posts
Posted on 9/16/21 at 11:12 am to
Normal.

And if it’s my firm, many of those partners are retiring or near retiring.
Posted by MikeBRLA
Baton Rouge
Member since Jun 2005
16480 posts
Posted on 9/16/21 at 11:14 am to
P&N I assume?
Posted by go_tigres
Member since Sep 2013
5164 posts
Posted on 9/16/21 at 11:15 am to
No. Partners, in this sense, is more a leadership title rather than ownership per se. Having a smallish firm with that many partners indicates a good balance between experienced and less experienced talent.
Posted by TJack
BR
Member since Dec 2018
1407 posts
Posted on 9/16/21 at 11:19 am to
P&N, the first spouse of many divorced accountants. He’ll get it out of his system in a year or two.
This post was edited on 9/16/21 at 11:22 am
Posted by NS Who Dat Nation
BR
Member since Jul 2007
8801 posts
Posted on 9/16/21 at 11:22 am to
One of the firms i use to work at had equity partners and income partners.
Posted by TU Rob
Birmingham
Member since Nov 2008
12755 posts
Posted on 9/16/21 at 11:26 am to
Seems normal. My first job was with a large regional firm here in Birmingham. I think there were ~150 employees overall, and 100+ in our main office with others in smaller offices in nearby cities, but you took out admin and IT, there were about 125 that were accountants. About 25-30% of those were partners and most had been there 15-20 years or more.

We were a large diverse firm, and the Audit department was slightly larger than the tax department, and we had a much smaller wealth management/business consulting group. I want to say there were about 40 in Audit, and maybe a dozen or so partners when I worked there. Most of them had started there out of college, or started working there after a few years somewhere else, and worked their way up. The only partners I knew of that were more recent hires were ones that came from one of the Big 4 and brought some clients over with them. And even then it was a few years before they were made partner. Had to spend some time as a manager then Sr Manager first.

I also spent about a year working for a much smaller firm, and there were about 20 employees overall and 4-5 partners while I was there. We went through a merger and brought on the 5th partner and her staff in another city.
Posted by Gorilla Ball
Member since Feb 2006
11782 posts
Posted on 9/16/21 at 11:35 am to
Why are you concerning Yourself with his business?
Posted by Weekend Warrior79
Member since Aug 2014
16468 posts
Posted on 9/16/21 at 11:52 am to
I have only worked for smaller firms before making the jump to industry, but it very well could be that they will rely on interns to fill the void during busy season, and the 100+ staff is just an indication of the staff to manage the "offseason" work load.
Posted by JumpingTheShark
America
Member since Nov 2012
22927 posts
Posted on 9/16/21 at 11:54 am to
Having worked at firms of various sizes, that seems like a lot of partners but that really depends on the nature of everything they do. My advice to him (if he wants to stick it out at one firm) is to look at the age of the partners and see if there’s a reasonable path to partnership. I made the mistake of going to work at a medium sized firm and the partners were old as shite so they simply sold to a huge firm that I hated.
Posted by Coach Buzzcut
Member since Feb 2016
1361 posts
Posted on 9/16/21 at 11:59 am to
Let me guess its with Postlethwaite & Netterville (P&N). If so, P&N is good regional firm and operate in several states. Becoming a partner in a Big 4 is difficult task (no clue about P&N, but its likely hard). The general career path for accountants is to work in public accounting for 3-5 years and then move to an industry accounting job
Posted by imjustafatkid
Alabama
Member since Dec 2011
50759 posts
Posted on 9/16/21 at 12:03 pm to
quote:

He interviewed with a firm based in BR that employees a little over 100 accountants. He mentioned that this firm has over 30 partners. I am not very familiar with the industry, but that seems a bit excessive for a firm that size. Is that ratio normal? Is that something he should concern himself with?


I would say the number of partners should be related to the amount of revenue, not the number of employees.
Posted by BamaAlum02
Huntsville, AL
Member since Nov 2005
1011 posts
Posted on 9/16/21 at 12:27 pm to
Age of Partners more important. We have a mandatory retirement age to keep the old guys from hanging around forever and preventing new blood in the Partner group.

But that is not a bad leverage ratio.
Posted by nicholastiger
Member since Jan 2004
43062 posts
Posted on 9/16/21 at 2:04 pm to
Partners share in the revenues of the firm but it also depends on the number of clients you can generate and bring in to the firm you work for as well as provide quality work to keep those clients, of course, some clients are required to go out for bid every few years which puts the pressure on to try and keep them
Your share is probably based on the clients you bring in
Some of those partners may only have the title only (probably due to longevity) and the firm values their expertise over necessarily bringing in additional clients
Working for firms like that are great to get a lot of experience in different types of business, a lot of those people end up going work for their clients if working at a firm is not their long term goals
Just prepare to work a lot of hours at times but that experience will pay off down the road
Posted by Sterling Archer
Austin
Member since Aug 2012
7338 posts
Posted on 9/16/21 at 2:29 pm to
Tell him Big 4 or bust
Posted by ODP
Conroe
Member since Oct 2015
1938 posts
Posted on 9/16/21 at 3:08 pm to
Did my time at P&N and then moved on with the quickness into industry where I made 3X the salary and had 10x the free time.
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