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morning after thoughts
Posted on 9/30/20 at 6:35 am
Posted on 9/30/20 at 6:35 am
I was thinking about it a bit when i woke up this morning.
My quick takeaways:
1. Both acted childish and this wasn't a debate, it was a bickering screaming match.
2. Trump needed to come out and prove he could be more than that and he didn't.
3. Biden needed to come out and prove that he could be strong and resolute and did neither. In fact, he looked physically weak and stammered through a lot.
Here is where I am stumped though. Trumps best answer and point had to be "I'm elected for 4 years, not 3. We have the Presidency and the Senate so of course we will try to appoint a SCOTUS Justice." It was 100% indisputable fact and sounded great. Anyone disagree that this was his best response of the night?
What was Bidens best answer? Nothing stands out in my mind at all.
My quick takeaways:
1. Both acted childish and this wasn't a debate, it was a bickering screaming match.
2. Trump needed to come out and prove he could be more than that and he didn't.
3. Biden needed to come out and prove that he could be strong and resolute and did neither. In fact, he looked physically weak and stammered through a lot.
Here is where I am stumped though. Trumps best answer and point had to be "I'm elected for 4 years, not 3. We have the Presidency and the Senate so of course we will try to appoint a SCOTUS Justice." It was 100% indisputable fact and sounded great. Anyone disagree that this was his best response of the night?
What was Bidens best answer? Nothing stands out in my mind at all.
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Posted on 9/30/20 at 6:38 am to Warfarer
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What was Bidens best answer?
Him not answering the question about packing the court. It most definitely gave us the answer to the question.
Posted on 9/30/20 at 6:39 am to Warfarer
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morning after thoughts
Plan B. These can’t be our 2 candidates
Posted on 9/30/20 at 6:39 am to Warfarer
Frail and weak has never won a presidential election.
Joe looked frail and weak.
Everything else is noise.
Joe looked frail and weak.
Everything else is noise.
Posted on 9/30/20 at 6:39 am to Warfarer
I agree 100% with your first 3 points although it appears everyone on here said trump owned him.
It’s sad because both sides knew before the debate their candidate won. There is nothing trump could have done last night to make people on this board say he lost the debate.
My takeaway was it’s sad the country and the debate system has come to two old men fighting
It’s sad because both sides knew before the debate their candidate won. There is nothing trump could have done last night to make people on this board say he lost the debate.
My takeaway was it’s sad the country and the debate system has come to two old men fighting
Posted on 9/30/20 at 6:40 am to Warfarer
Should have sealed it in concrete and added something to the fact of we have a vacancy, and a constitutional responsibility to fill it.
That would have played well against Biden's let the people decide deflection/argument (which was countered with they have already decided).
That would have played well against Biden's let the people decide deflection/argument (which was countered with they have already decided).
Posted on 9/30/20 at 6:41 am to Warfarer
Trump should have let Biden talk more, because when Biden did talk he really said some dumb stuff.
- Antifa is an idea, and not a group
- Refused to answer the court packing question
- spouted the Democrat dream of killing oil and gas and said how going green will create jobs (but will it be enough to replace those jobs lost?)
- Raising the corporate tax rate up to 28% from 21%
Trump has a good record to run on, Biden does not. Trump is correct when he says he’s done more in 47 months than Biden has in 47 years. I don’t think Trump lost any voters, but Biden didn’t gain any.
- Antifa is an idea, and not a group
- Refused to answer the court packing question
- spouted the Democrat dream of killing oil and gas and said how going green will create jobs (but will it be enough to replace those jobs lost?)
- Raising the corporate tax rate up to 28% from 21%
Trump has a good record to run on, Biden does not. Trump is correct when he says he’s done more in 47 months than Biden has in 47 years. I don’t think Trump lost any voters, but Biden didn’t gain any.
Posted on 9/30/20 at 6:41 am to Warfarer
Horrific. It will hurt Trump worse than Biden although I’m not sure it should.
Biden is such a weak, substance less candidate with a ton of political baggage and Trump is too unhinges to take advantage of it.
There are no more statesmen left.
Biden is such a weak, substance less candidate with a ton of political baggage and Trump is too unhinges to take advantage of it.
There are no more statesmen left.
Posted on 9/30/20 at 6:42 am to Warfarer
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What was Bidens best answer?
It’s not anything of substance but when he looked into the camera and said that Trump doesn’t care about people after then telling about the ACA. That will ended up on an ad.
Posted on 9/30/20 at 6:43 am to TheFonz
Most of that you cited was brought into the fold precisely because Trump did interrupt and inject it into conversation.
Posted on 9/30/20 at 6:43 am to Warfarer
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1. Both acted childish and this wasn't a debate, it was a bickering screaming match. 2. Trump needed to come out and prove he could be more than that and he didn't.
Eat shite.
You have no fricking clue. Biden was a stage prop. He couldn’t have a real conversation if he had to and he’s the most corrupt politician in office.
I love trump calling out his filthy son Hunter Biden.
You probably wanted that Muslim terrorist girl up there.
Posted on 9/30/20 at 6:45 am to dallastiger55
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There is nothing trump could have done last night to make people on this board say he lost the debate.
It wasn't up to Trump to lose the debate. It was up to Biden to win it with substance of a platform and proof of facts. Mission unaccomplished on his part.
Posted on 9/30/20 at 6:45 am to Warfarer
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My quick takeaways:
Trump came out torque'ed to 10 early on, should've throttled back, especially when Joe started off by blithering through his first answer.
Biden looked confused, frail, and weak. Even network shills couldn't find anything to praise in his performance.
White supremacy debacle gave the media something to run with. If Trump hits that underhanded softball lob correctly, he'd have won the debate hands down. As he did though he cost himself some momentum and it gave us a scoreless tie.
That was a hot freaking mess.
OMB is all the networks have. That and the unclear flub on white supremacy.
Posted on 9/30/20 at 6:46 am to Warfarer
quote:
1. Both acted childish and this wasn't a debate, it was a bickering screaming match.
2. Trump needed to come out and prove he could be more than that and he didn't.
3. Biden needed to come out and prove that he could be strong and resolute and did neither. In fact, he looked physically weak and stammered through a lot.
Trump is exactly what he has always been. The bigger knock was Biden proved he is no more “Presidential” than Trump but with less of a resume of actually getting things done even though he has been in govt 4x as long.
Posted on 9/30/20 at 6:49 am to Rhino5
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You have no fricking clue. Biden was a stage prop. He couldn’t have a real conversation if he had to and he’s the most corrupt politician in office.
I agree with that and I'm not sure why you're telling me to eat shite because I said he needed to act a little more presidential than acting like a child the entire night.
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I love trump calling out his filthy son Hunter Biden.
I think that was something that needed to be done. Guilt by association is a strong thought and Hunter is a weak link to Biden.
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You probably wanted that Muslim terrorist girl up there.
Not even sure who you are talking about.
Posted on 9/30/20 at 6:51 am to Warfarer
47 months vs 47 years was the best line IMO.
I think, as others have surmised, that Trump's plan was to push hard and often to prevent Biden from spitting out his prepackaged answers. It worked sometimes, other times he actually interrupted Biden when he was about to fall into a pile of shite.
Next debate I think we are Trump pivot his tactics and to catch Biden flat footed bc you know Biden will expect Trump from last night again.
I think, as others have surmised, that Trump's plan was to push hard and often to prevent Biden from spitting out his prepackaged answers. It worked sometimes, other times he actually interrupted Biden when he was about to fall into a pile of shite.
Next debate I think we are Trump pivot his tactics and to catch Biden flat footed bc you know Biden will expect Trump from last night again.
Posted on 9/30/20 at 7:10 am to ibldprplgld
It was the 3-2 Auburn/Miss. State game as a debate. It wasn’t pretty at all and both sides should really claim a loss.
However, as sloppy as it was, Trump did have policy to defend while Biden did not. Trump did the best on the Law and Order and Race stuff, though some will say he stumbled on the white supremacy moment. Biden though didn’t condemn the violent riots and antifa, labeling it an idea versus an organization.
Neither did great on the Supreme Court, with the best being Biden not answering the question about stacking the court. Trump did okay with the election stuff, and very smartly called it solicited ballots versus absentee. That creates the distinction in people’s minds regarding mail in ballots.
Biden’s best moment was probably invoking Beau and his death in Iraq. Trump probably should have said something along the lines of TYFYS and then shifted to Hunter, but I get that was brought on by the false claim of calling soldiers losers. Still Trump got Biden to deny Hunters cocaine use in the military and of course his Russian connection.
So overall it was sloppy and reeked of old men bickering. But I think Trump slightly edged out Biden like a 3-2 game.
However, as sloppy as it was, Trump did have policy to defend while Biden did not. Trump did the best on the Law and Order and Race stuff, though some will say he stumbled on the white supremacy moment. Biden though didn’t condemn the violent riots and antifa, labeling it an idea versus an organization.
Neither did great on the Supreme Court, with the best being Biden not answering the question about stacking the court. Trump did okay with the election stuff, and very smartly called it solicited ballots versus absentee. That creates the distinction in people’s minds regarding mail in ballots.
Biden’s best moment was probably invoking Beau and his death in Iraq. Trump probably should have said something along the lines of TYFYS and then shifted to Hunter, but I get that was brought on by the false claim of calling soldiers losers. Still Trump got Biden to deny Hunters cocaine use in the military and of course his Russian connection.
So overall it was sloppy and reeked of old men bickering. But I think Trump slightly edged out Biden like a 3-2 game.
Posted on 9/30/20 at 7:17 am to Warfarer
Biden refers to the man (like him or not) that holds the office of the president as a liar, clown and stupid with no accountability from the moderator. Let that sink in. The whole thing was a shite show from start to finish.
I thought Trump was over amped, but after 4 years I gotta give him the latitude to handle as he sees fit. After all, he is in a pitched fight for this nation battling a bunch of corrupt Marxists.
I thought Trump was over amped, but after 4 years I gotta give him the latitude to handle as he sees fit. After all, he is in a pitched fight for this nation battling a bunch of corrupt Marxists.
Posted on 9/30/20 at 7:17 am to Warfarer
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I agree with that and I'm not sure why you're telling me to eat shite because I said he needed to act a little more presidential than acting like a child the entire night.
He did act presidential. He destroyed the completion in a dominant fashion. Sorry that hurt your vagina. Sounds like you need to stick to movies where they pretend to be president.
Posted on 9/30/20 at 7:18 am to Warfarer
Here are my thoughts:
1. Both were far too impatient. Let the other have all the rope they want then hang them with it when it's your turn. It felt like I was watching another installment of Grumpy Old Men.
2. At times Biden looked coherent and passable, that was as good as he got. Much of the night he bounced around between looking confused, weak, plastic or faux amused as an attempt at deflection.
3. Trump looked over-eager and was far too rambling in his answers. He had PLENTY of ammo for every topic but ended up just sticking with his "believe me" and "fantastic" and "lots of people" responses. He also missed some fricking GOLDEN opportunities:
--Biden's mention of raising the corporate tax back up to 28%, I was expecting Trump to bend him over and remind him about the business inversions that helped were happening before he lowered it and then follow up with the billions that were brought back into the country BECAUSE IT'S SO LOW NOW.
--On administration accomplishments, Trump should have all of this memorized by now. He mentioned the VA but he didn't hit it hard enough, give at least one example of what was done. Talk about the regulatory cuts that fed the greatest job creation in a lifetime. Talk about continued ~3.5% Unemployment, talk about bouncing the "job-killing, Biden-supported NAFTA" and exchanging it for the USMCA. Talk about the tariff war that brought China to the negotiating table.
--At one point in the night Biden bitched about Trump shutting the economy down over COVID but then later bitched that Trump is trying to open it up. That should have been a feeding frenzy.
--During the part about black votes, Trump did good with "super predator" and the crime bill Biden pushed but he missed out on his making funding HBCUs a priority, economic investment zones, historically low unemployment among blacks, etc. The missed zinger here was "What have I done? I pushed tax and investment policies that brought black unemployment to its lowest level. Ever! I also made funding of HBCUs a priority. What did you do, Joe? I'll tell you what you did, you tried to buy their votes by lying and saying you 'started out at Delaware State'. When it comes to the black community, I lead and you lie. It's that simple."
4. Trump had some solid jabs and you could tell he was getting to Joe at points, one of which led Joe to try to trap Trump into disparaging his dead son, Beau. Trump did a great job of avoiding it and then smashing him with Hunter's getting kicked out due to booger-sugar. Biden looked especially weak when his response was to just shake his head and say "that's not true".
5. Biden had some moments of good clarity but he ruined them when he looked into the camera for his response. He looked desperate, weak and pleading whereas Trump looked direct, strong and confrontational. The visual dichotomy of the two was stunning. If someone had their sound off, I think they would be hard pressed to go for Biden.
After last night I have to say the only thing I'm really looking forward to in the next one is seeing how they change their tactics.
1. Both were far too impatient. Let the other have all the rope they want then hang them with it when it's your turn. It felt like I was watching another installment of Grumpy Old Men.
2. At times Biden looked coherent and passable, that was as good as he got. Much of the night he bounced around between looking confused, weak, plastic or faux amused as an attempt at deflection.
3. Trump looked over-eager and was far too rambling in his answers. He had PLENTY of ammo for every topic but ended up just sticking with his "believe me" and "fantastic" and "lots of people" responses. He also missed some fricking GOLDEN opportunities:
--Biden's mention of raising the corporate tax back up to 28%, I was expecting Trump to bend him over and remind him about the business inversions that helped were happening before he lowered it and then follow up with the billions that were brought back into the country BECAUSE IT'S SO LOW NOW.
--On administration accomplishments, Trump should have all of this memorized by now. He mentioned the VA but he didn't hit it hard enough, give at least one example of what was done. Talk about the regulatory cuts that fed the greatest job creation in a lifetime. Talk about continued ~3.5% Unemployment, talk about bouncing the "job-killing, Biden-supported NAFTA" and exchanging it for the USMCA. Talk about the tariff war that brought China to the negotiating table.
--At one point in the night Biden bitched about Trump shutting the economy down over COVID but then later bitched that Trump is trying to open it up. That should have been a feeding frenzy.
--During the part about black votes, Trump did good with "super predator" and the crime bill Biden pushed but he missed out on his making funding HBCUs a priority, economic investment zones, historically low unemployment among blacks, etc. The missed zinger here was "What have I done? I pushed tax and investment policies that brought black unemployment to its lowest level. Ever! I also made funding of HBCUs a priority. What did you do, Joe? I'll tell you what you did, you tried to buy their votes by lying and saying you 'started out at Delaware State'. When it comes to the black community, I lead and you lie. It's that simple."
4. Trump had some solid jabs and you could tell he was getting to Joe at points, one of which led Joe to try to trap Trump into disparaging his dead son, Beau. Trump did a great job of avoiding it and then smashing him with Hunter's getting kicked out due to booger-sugar. Biden looked especially weak when his response was to just shake his head and say "that's not true".
5. Biden had some moments of good clarity but he ruined them when he looked into the camera for his response. He looked desperate, weak and pleading whereas Trump looked direct, strong and confrontational. The visual dichotomy of the two was stunning. If someone had their sound off, I think they would be hard pressed to go for Biden.
After last night I have to say the only thing I'm really looking forward to in the next one is seeing how they change their tactics.
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