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Posted on 9/18/19 at 9:57 am
Posted by FtBelvoirTiger
New Orleans
Member since Dec 2007
444 posts
Posted on 9/18/19 at 9:57 am
What do you like most about joining the SEC, And what do you miss most about leaving the Big 12?
This post was edited on 9/18/19 at 7:49 pm
Posted by Ag Zwin
Member since Mar 2016
20025 posts
Posted on 9/18/19 at 9:58 am to
I miss the camaraderie and friendship under the benevolent leadership of the Austin Overlords.

ETA: Then again, I also like shaving my head with a cheese grater while chewing on tin foil. So, there's that.
This post was edited on 9/18/19 at 1:15 pm
Posted by Zanzibaw
BR
Member since Jun 2016
2948 posts
Posted on 9/18/19 at 9:59 am to
quote:

And what do you miss most about leaving the Big12?


Has to be all the conference titles right?
Posted by mizslu314
Dirty STL
Member since Sep 2013
15978 posts
Posted on 9/18/19 at 10:01 am to
As I say to everyone-

Have you ever traveled to Manhattan, Lawrence, or ames for a football game?



Not just that. Hospitality, knowledgeable fans, weather I could go on and on. Joining the SEC was far and away better than I thought it could ever be, and I was always happy about it since the news broke.

frick the B12, frick Texas, and especially frick kU
This post was edited on 9/18/19 at 10:04 am
Posted by KCM0Tiger
Kansas City, MISSOURI
Member since Nov 2011
15540 posts
Posted on 9/18/19 at 10:05 am to
quote:

What do you like most about joining the SEC,


More money, better road trip destinations, higher-profile opponents, no Longhorns, conference prestige.

quote:

what do you miss most about leaving the Big12


Shorter road trips and Big 12 basketball.
Posted by twk
Wichita Falls, Texas
Member since Jul 2011
2162 posts
Posted on 9/18/19 at 10:08 am to
quote:

What do you like most about joining the SEC, And what do you miss most about leaving the Big12?


Playing games that matter, with fan bases that care, yet are still good places to visit.

There is one thing that I miss about the Big 12, and that is the baseball tournament in Oklahoma City. It baffles me that the SEC continues to play its baseball tournament in a suburban parking lot, rather than playing it some place where you could walk to games from your hotel (and not from a tenement on wheels). But, that's a very minor point in the grand scheme of things.
Posted by JesusQuintana
St Louis
Member since Oct 2013
33366 posts
Posted on 9/18/19 at 10:17 am to
frick the SEC

Nothing
Posted by Farmer1906
The Woodlands, TX
Member since Apr 2009
50713 posts
Posted on 9/18/19 at 10:18 am to
Mainly Bama

Posted by BoerneAg
Hill Country, God's Country
Member since Apr 2019
2329 posts
Posted on 9/18/19 at 10:27 am to
I definitely know a hell of a lot more horns, bears, and raiders than SEC grads. That's the only thing i miss. Having that smack talk week. But the atmospheres at those games don't compare to the SEC.
Posted by TeLeFaWx
Dallas, TX
Member since Aug 2011
29179 posts
Posted on 9/18/19 at 10:42 am to
I'll go with what I miss the most about the Big 12 first.

1.) I miss having a bit of regional rivalry to the games. Most of my family went to OU, so not being able to beat them kind of sucks.

2.) I miss playing Tech. Their fans can be trashy, but most are decent enough... and when we beat them, it hurt them most of all. I have a really good buddy that went to Tech, and whose dad is one of their biggest donors, and have developed sort of a soft spot for them. My favorite Big 12 team is probably them and Oklahoma State now.

3.) I miss the Thanksgiving element with playing tu, and playing them in general.

*Note, I don't think the game should be brought back until A&M wins the SEC and until the Big 12 folds and college football adopts a better system like ( https://savecollegefootball.org) where A&M isn't punished for playing two big time out of conference opponents every year as well as an SEC West schedule. The latter being key. Playing tu would be fun, but not more fun that playing Clemson/Miami/Notre Dame, and with an SEC West schedule, we can't do both.

4.) I miss Nebraska fans. Very gracious at Kyle Field. Quite jarring to see how great their fans were in 2010, then see that swamp trash Florida fans brought in 2012.

About joining the SEC; almost everything.

1.) Exposure. I was hesitant about the move at first, having to give a frick about the Mississippi schools instead of the Oklahoma schools and how that might diminish our relevance in some way. Our division(sans the last season) was a Texoma division. And I guess my ties to Oklahoma made me feel like losing those teams was really going to diminish us in someway, whether that be recruiting or brand relevance. How foolish. Sure there is a tiny drawback not being able to fight against the Okies, but that's more than made up for with LSU/Auburn/Alabama. Especially now with Jimbo, establishing ourselves as a national brand is irreversible, something we never really had before.

I remember A&M's marketing guy, Jason Cook who is now at Baylor, has some survey/study referenced how in 2008 when Tech beat tu, that nationally Tech was viewed as the second best brand/program in the state to outsiders. And that really hit home to me how not only has A&M done a terrible idea marketing itself to be more of a Florida/FSU type relationship with tu in the state as opposed to a Michigan/Michigan State or OU/Oklahoma State type dynamic, but that brand dilution is terrible and unavoidable.

Tech, under no circumstances, should have been one football upset away from supplanting us as a brand and program. Hell, at the time we had a two game win streak against tu, as if that's even relevant.

In the past 40 years, the State of Florida has won 11 National Championships, between 3 different schools, all three winning at least 3. The State of Texas? One. Even if you consider the Texoma region, Oklahoma has only won 2 in the last 40 years, on an almost 20 year drought. Which is why I seriously contend that one of the best things that could happen to A&M(and tu for that matter) is if the Pac-16 did happen. There would have been 3 teams in the state in a major conference as opposed to 5, and one of them would have been in Lubbock.

2.) Beating LSU. I am from DFW, not the Houston area, so my exposure to swamp kitten growing up was smaller relative to Aggy, Red Raider, sip, Sooner, etc. Working in oil and gas and being exposed much more to Houston, I see how natural that rivalry is and how much we missed by LSU pulling the most chicken shite move in the history of college football and breaking the contract early because they knew they couldn't build a winning program starting off playing Daddy every year.

3.) Fun road venues. The Grove is overrated. It's tiny, you can't have an open flame, and everyone is trying a little too hard. That being said, it's better than Stillwater, Waco, Lubbock, Aimes, Manhattan and Lawrence. At least Columbia, Boulder and Lincoln had a baseline level of fun college town/great fanbase. I actually think Stillwater is a bit underrated, but it's basically Starkville. Nothing special. Either way, the SEC West is fun to go to. Still need to check out Tuscaloosa.

4.) Developing our own identity. A&M hasn't had a losing record since we've joined the SEC. We won a Heisman. We beat number one Bama on the road. We've had wins over top ten ranked(at the time) Tennessee, Auburn, Alabama, South Carolina, and LSU. We are the only SEC team in the State of Texas. It's great to be able to point to these things about us, as opposed to when I was growing up and it was "you can't be taken seriously until you start beating Texas", even though from 84-94 we beat them 10 out of 11. Facts didn't matter in the face of branding and our identity. Aggy is Aggy now. We will be coming up on ten years in the SEC soon, and I think it's safe to say this ride has been great.
This post was edited on 9/18/19 at 10:43 am
Posted by agswin
The Republic of Texas
Member since Aug 2011
4344 posts
Posted on 9/18/19 at 11:19 am to
Like most:

Quality of football competition. Every game means something.

Dislike:
Insistence of playing the baseball tournament in Hoover. What is the deal on that? Just about every school has a baseball stadium facility as good or better than the present site.

There are 7 major league stadiums and a plethora (for LSU grads, that means lots) of excellent AAA and AA stadiums within the boundaries of the SEC.
This post was edited on 9/18/19 at 11:20 am
Posted by EKG
Houston, TX
Member since Jun 2010
44041 posts
Posted on 9/18/19 at 11:39 am to
Not sure I can add anything that hasn’t been mentioned ....

Things I appreciated about tB12:
- geographic proximity to opponents (but we knew that going in to the deal)
- in the same vein ... the majority of conference events (conference games notwithstanding) weren’t geographically located, such that the same five or six teams habitually benefited from tourneys, receptions, media days, awards ceremonies, etc.
- our history and traditions w the Texas schools
- most of the supporters of B12 teams were affiliated with their university, rather than simply self-identifying themselves as “fans,” due to where they lived/grew up or because their “brother in law went [there].” I don’t think Baylor won a football game in a century, yet their grads stood by the team through thick & thin.

This wouldn’t bug me in the least, apart from the fact that those same “I’m no longer a fan of [Team X]” individuals tend to be the most obnoxious in every way. It’s stinkin’ odd. That dynamic didn’t exist in tB12—at least not nearly to the extent that it does in the SEC.

Things I prefer about the SEC:
- $
- overall excitement level
- opponents travel much better
- no longhorns (until they sniffed out this board like pigs in search of maroon truffles)
- better facilities
- better road trips
- increased exposure for Texas A&M University
- camaraderie
- competent conference leadership
- respect for all universities and not just one
- superior recruiting
- better coaches
- “It just means more”
Posted by Mizzou Mule
St. Charles County, Missou-rah
Member since Sep 2014
3076 posts
Posted on 9/18/19 at 12:46 pm to
Thanks for having us!

Like:
No texass or kansas. Don't EVER let them in the SEC.
Beating tenny and arky.
$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
Best conference
The South
Improved Mizzou athletics

Miss:
B12 basketball
Shorter drives to games

Posted by TigerAndBadger
Member since Aug 2017
234 posts
Posted on 9/18/19 at 1:07 pm to
quote:

What do you like most about joining the SEC

Stability and equal share/$$$

quote:

what do you miss most about leaving the Big12?

Rivalries. Cultural camaraderie. BS'ing with co-workers/friends from other B12 schools. Shorter road trips/able to take more road trips. Really miss everyone in the Big 8, DON'T miss the +4 Texas schools (which we are still with A&M, so +3 technically I guess). EDIT: BASKETBALL. Crazy how different the roundball is outside of Kentucky, in terms of everything: from style of play, to fan atmosphere, etc. I don't think most SEC fans realize that we have been a basketball school for decades. The move just happened to coincide with the absolute worst (not conjecture, objective) period in program history. EDIT 2: No wrestling in SEC. Great sport.

*Big thing for me, certain segments of our fans pretending to be something we are not. Wasn't a problem in the Big12. We knew where we stood, our state's culture, etc. Some are trying wayyyyyyy too hard to be "southern" and it just isn't a good look. We are a Midwestern state.
This post was edited on 9/18/19 at 1:19 pm
Posted by TigerTalker16
Columbia,MO
Member since Apr 2015
11533 posts
Posted on 9/18/19 at 2:45 pm to
We don’t miss Texas. And I don’t mean the football team, I mean the Texas Athletics grip on how the Big 12 is run
Posted by TrueLefty
St. Louis County
Member since Oct 2017
15032 posts
Posted on 9/18/19 at 3:29 pm to
quote:

What do you like most about joining the SEC, And what do you miss most about leaving the Big12?


One real reason was the State of Texas and Texas was keeping Missouri and the northern schools from becoming strong due to financial and recruiting disadvantage. That also the Big 12 championship did not come back to Kansas City again. It was all about the State of Texas and Texas. Then you have OU and the other Texas schools get better support and respect than the northern schools. SEC the recruiting is a lot better and more balance. Big 12 is all about the State of Texas and the Texas schools and OU. It almost destroyed Missouri. Missouri got out at the right time and slowly recovering.
Posted by Tigerfan0318
Missouri
Member since Oct 2018
1693 posts
Posted on 9/18/19 at 4:52 pm to
What do I like most about the joining the SEC? The chance to see some of the top football schools in the nation come to town. Much respect for Alabama, Auburn, Florida, Tennessee, Mississippi State, etc. I would say LSU, but some of their fans have really become disrespectful over the past year.

What do I miss most about leaving the Big 12? The enjoyment of beating kansas in football.
Posted by RatRodDawg
UGA & USC alum/Los Angeles, Calif
Member since Nov 2018
2494 posts
Posted on 9/18/19 at 5:31 pm to
The SEC is very glad and honored to have Missouri & Texas A&M--two very fine academic and athletic schools! Welcome!
Posted by BurgTiger
Member since Feb 2014
2772 posts
Posted on 9/18/19 at 6:00 pm to
Miss the history that only comes from longevity.

Most like the unity of the conference. It's unreal here. UTs ego broke the B12s back.
Posted by kczoutiger
Member since Jul 2016
770 posts
Posted on 9/18/19 at 7:44 pm to
2 things I don't care for the SEC is meaningless basketball games, but has gotten much better, and the rotation of football games across divisions. No reason that we shouldn't play each team at least once in a four year span.

Living in KC, its in the heart of old Big 8 country. I can't trash talk my neighbors or coworkers about the big game anymore.
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