re: NY Times ... ‘happiest of all’ American wives are ‘religious conservatives.’

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Women do not like it despite what all the porn that you are addicted to may indicate

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Sorry to tell you, but if they have a prostate, then they aren’t really women.

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In what way, can you provide an example of this? Stil really struggling to link Christian's ideas of morality and the scientific method

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Morality and the scientific method are unrelated in what I'm saying except for that both require universal principles that do not make sense in a materialistic worldview (atheism).

There are any number of examples that could prove this point, but more generally, science is a methodology or tool that humans use to learn things. The methodology requires the assumption that there is uniformity in nature that results in predictability. Nature has to work the same way tomorrow as it does today and yesterday in order for science to work. Therefore uniformity is a basic presupposition that must be assumed in order to use the scientific method. Uniformity has no basis within materialistic naturalism because there's no reason why the world should be ordered and uniform.

Regarding morality, my point was that there is no moral standard that can objectively exist in atheism. Each individual person can create their own personal standard that they, themselves, can abide by, but there is no objective standard that applies to any individual, group, or all people collectively in that worldview. Morality on a collective level has no objective meaning; it's merely an individual view that is enforced in some way, such as through force. This boils down to morality being nothing more than "might makes right".

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Do you mean the laws of nature? If so, then yes we need laws so we can produce repeatable results in order to understand and prove things.

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No, I mean uniformity with nature which allows us to make predictions due to consistent behavior within the universe.

But you do raise a related issue. "Laws" are immaterial by nature and don't have a place in the worldview of a materialistic naturalist. If all that exists is matter, then immaterial concepts like laws don't fall within that paradigm and shouldn't exist to be used for the scientific method.

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Or they just want to treat others as they wish to be treated with no expectation of some divine reward

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They can treat anyone however they want for whatever reason they want. That's my point. The atheist has no objective moral standard to live by and to judge by so their actions can be whatever they want them to be without any sort of objective moral classification tied to them. They can treat people nicely because it makes them happy (or simply because they have some internal feeling of responsibility to do the "right" thing according to their personal preference) or they can treat people like garbage for whatever reason they want.

I'm not saying the atheist has to act immorally as we would define it, but that if he thinks in terms of objective morality (judging others based on some standard) then the atheist has to borrow from the Christian worldview to do so, even if he's not aware of it.

Within atheism, there is no morality. There are only actions. Just like it's not "immoral" for one animal to rape, kill, or steal from another animal in the wild, we who are merely more evolved animals likewise have no universal standard of morality governing our actions. We can do as we please, providing as much pain or pleasure to the world as we want without anyone to have an objective standard to judge us by. As long as we're OK with others rising up against us to force us to conform to their own subjective moral standards or expel us from the group (prison or death), that's about as good as we can hope for in this world of purposeless chance.

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Are these all your thoughts or is this being derived from someone else? I just do not follow the logic in thinking everything in the world revolves around Christians, kind of a strange mindset to have

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It's not my thinking alone. It's a form of presuppositional apologetics using the transcendental argument for God's existence.

It's not that everything revolves around Christians, but that only the Christian worldview as provided by the revelation of God in the Bible can provide a rational basis for our experiences. In other words, if God does not exist, we cannot know or prove anything to be true.

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FTR I am not an athiest, more of an agnostic. I would like to think their is a higher power, and really hope there is, but observation and deduction over the years have led me to think its highly likely we are just an advanced primate breed capable of understanding the world around us, which is pretty awesome and special if nothing else, imo.

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To be frank, while we can think we're special in that worldview, there's no real meaning behind it. So what? Being unique doesn't mean anything. The Ebola virus is pretty unique, too.

My ultimate point is to discuss our presuppositions. Yes, we can use science to learn things about this world, but what makes science "work"? What allows it to be a useful tool for us to learn anything? It's entirely dependent on fundamental presuppositions about the universe that don't make much sense in a purely naturalistic and materialistic universe devoid of God.

My contention is that science "works" because God created the natural universe in such a way that it's intelligible and understandable to the human mind.

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The Christian worldview states that morality is objective

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That's why it's wrong. Objective morality does not exist. It can't exist.

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Agent 86

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I don't know or care who that is.

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Well, no.

It's sleight of hand bullshite and it belongs in a used car dealership, not a philosophical discussion of morality. No thinking person should find that argument compelling.

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Religious thinking is a human trait. Look at how the left talks about climate change.

With western atheists. They’re the product of a Christian culture and their beliefs are fundamentally Christian, driven by Christian theological concepts.

They just reject the idea of god.

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Think back to your own high school. Think of the emo atheists who had their own group, had pale skin, were completely unable to function as socially productive young adults.

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Yeah, what Losers...

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They devoted their lives to magic the gathering and DD, and had constant Dorito residue on their fingertips.

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Hey wait...

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That’s the worst thing I’ve heard someone say, in a very long time.

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And I'm absolutely correct.