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Best way of extending wifi to backyard?

Posted on 5/18/18 at 11:10 am
Posted by Dav
Dhan
Member since Feb 2010
8073 posts
Posted on 5/18/18 at 11:10 am
Currently have a Archer C5 router that is located in the front of the house. Does great in rooms near the front...but in the back of the house the signal begins to fade (but still can get a connection).

The backyard, however, rarely gets a connection...especially if the back door is shut.

Looking for the best way to extend my wifi to the backyard. Moving the router is not an option as the only hookup is located in the front room. Don't want to drop $300 for a mesh system cause I feel it would be overkill for a 1300 sq ft. home.

I would just get an extender and plug it into the rear of the house but I hear it just makes the signal crap.

Any ideas/suggestions?
Posted by CAD703X
Liberty Island
Member since Jul 2008
78295 posts
Posted on 5/18/18 at 11:19 am to
you're gonna have to pony up some cash.

you can get a newer 5ghz router (based on the 2014 FCC changes) which dramatically increases the range or add some type of access point.
Posted by bluebarracuda
Member since Oct 2011
18259 posts
Posted on 5/18/18 at 11:29 am to
Maybe use a powerline wifi adapter. Not the best solution, but it's plug and play with great affordability
Posted by r3lay3r
EBR
Member since Oct 2016
1844 posts
Posted on 5/18/18 at 11:29 am to
I don't think that's true?

As far as I know, the higher the frequency, the shorter the range and the more the signal is interfered with by natural objects, as long as power stays the same. So a newer dual band wifi router with increased power will have greater range overall, but 2.4GHz will outperform 5GHz.
Posted by CAD703X
Liberty Island
Member since Jul 2008
78295 posts
Posted on 5/18/18 at 11:33 am to
quote:

I don't think that's true?


FCC increases 5GHz spectrum 2014

of course it took a couple years before hardware began to appear to take advantage of this.

my 5GHz outperforms my 2.4 greatly now with the new Asus 86U router I just bought that fully embracses the changes.

eta unfortunately shitty products like my Ring spotlight only support 2.4 so these continue to limp along.
This post was edited on 5/18/18 at 11:38 am
Posted by AA7
Birmingham, AL
Member since Nov 2009
26723 posts
Posted on 5/18/18 at 11:44 am to
quote:

powerline wifi adapter

This will likely be the easiest route
Posted by guedeaux
Tardis
Member since Jan 2008
13615 posts
Posted on 5/18/18 at 11:55 am to
quote:

Currently have a Archer C5 router that is located in the front of the house. Does great in rooms near the front...but in the back of the house the signal begins to fade (but still can get a connection).

The backyard, however, rarely gets a connection...especially if the back door is shut.

Looking for the best way to extend my wifi to the backyard. Moving the router is not an option as the only hookup is located in the front room. Don't want to drop $300 for a mesh system cause I feel it would be overkill for a 1300 sq ft. home.

I would just get an extender and plug it into the rear of the house but I hear it just makes the signal crap.


Depending on your modem, you may be able to use MOCA. I just realized that the cable/voice modem provided by xfinity has MOCA capabilities, so I ordered a MOCA router. Its coming in today.
Posted by r3lay3r
EBR
Member since Oct 2016
1844 posts
Posted on 5/18/18 at 1:06 pm to
Two different things. Yes, throughput is greater on 5GHz, but coverage area is greater on 2.4GHz operating at the same power.
Posted by CAD703X
Liberty Island
Member since Jul 2008
78295 posts
Posted on 5/18/18 at 2:15 pm to
quote:

Two different things. Yes, throughput is greater on 5GHz, but coverage area is greater on 2.4GHz operating at the same power.


you can say whatever you want but the fact of the matter is my 5g range is now covering with full bars the same area only the 2.4 was doing before.

i'm sure there's other magic in that new asus router but based on the reviews i've read on the web, particularly smallnetbuilder, the consensus is the new 5ghz changes that were integrated into the hardware made this possible.

just repeating what people i assume that are smarter than me said and expressing my real world experience.
Posted by Dav
Dhan
Member since Feb 2010
8073 posts
Posted on 5/18/18 at 2:20 pm to
quote:

powerline wifi adapter


Would it be best just to ditch my Archer C5 for something with better range? I don't mind spending $80-100 for a new router but would hate to spend that much on an "extender" when I can just get a brand new router.
Posted by CubsFanBudMan
Member since Jul 2008
5089 posts
Posted on 5/18/18 at 3:00 pm to
Can you run Cat6 from your router to the back of the house? There are some outdoor access points that you can run. I have one made by Unifi.
Posted by RedBeardBaw
Member since Feb 2017
370 posts
Posted on 5/18/18 at 3:50 pm to
Could be that the 2.4Ghz router you were using before was just that crappy. Fact is, 5Ghz does not propagate as good as 2.4Ghz does through walls and other objects. The speeds will be quite a bit better with 5Ghz, but the higher you get in frequency the less propagation you have....example, 900Mhz propagates better than 2.4Ghz, 2.4Ghz propagates better than 5Ghz, etc.

I have no doubts that the newer 5Ghz routers may have newer technology like beam forming built in. This definitely helps with the propagation of the signal as well compared to older equipment.

OP, you can pick up a cheap Netgear router from Amazon for around $20, turn the router function off and set it up as an AP. Run a cat5 cable from your current router to the back of your house where your signal is weak, and plug it into your new AP. Should be an easy fix. I wouldn't rely on a wireless repeater, hard wire if at all possible.
This post was edited on 5/18/18 at 3:53 pm
Posted by jeff5891
Member since Aug 2011
15761 posts
Posted on 5/19/18 at 9:02 am to
quote:

5g range is now covering with full bars


That's your connection to the router. It has nothing to do with the data transmission.
This post was edited on 5/19/18 at 9:14 am
Posted by umop_apisdn
Member since Sep 2017
3673 posts
Posted on 5/19/18 at 10:31 am to
A wireless bridge also works. If you have an older Linksys wrtg router laying around you can even flash the firmware and turn that router into a wireless bridge.

That's what I did.
Posted by Dj1127
Member since Aug 2015
34 posts
Posted on 5/19/18 at 2:26 pm to
I bought a NETGEAR N300 WiFi Range Extender so my outdoor camera could pickup my WiFi signal and also so I’d have WiFi in my backyard and it works great.
Posted by Volvagia
Fort Worth
Member since Mar 2006
51914 posts
Posted on 5/19/18 at 3:23 pm to
It has more power yes due to the spec changes, but that frequency has more problems at penetration period, which the OP has said he is dealing with.

quote:

just repeating what people i assume that are smarter than me said and expressing my real world experience.


The only thing that everyone knowledgeable about wifi with real world experience would say is that there is no universal answer to anything.

Even the slightest change, whose origins aren’t always apparent, can have profound differences in range and strength. So you can’t make a definite recommendation to fix any problems.

Based on what the OP has to say, it sounds he is in a difficult signal situation. What works for you may not work for him. Even if the ROUTER can push the signal through the interference doesn’t mean the cell phone/tablet etc can in order to communicate back


OP:

Your best bet (not knowing your router’s ability to attach an external antenna) is to get on the other side of whatever is blocking the signal on the walls.

MoCA or Ethernet the router to outside, and attach another router capable of working in a bridge mode. Ideal results will be if it’s a twin to the indoor router.
This post was edited on 5/19/18 at 3:59 pm
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