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Posted on 9/26/17 at 10:36 pm to chinese58
An incredible series so far but the self importance of baby boomers is a prophecy of our modern time over the past decade..
Posted on 9/26/17 at 11:23 pm to TROLA
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An incredible series so far but the self importance of baby boomers is a prophecy of our modern time over the past decade..
They are trying to pull off a 1968 again.
Posted on 9/27/17 at 7:32 am to arktiger28
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Despite his left leaning politics his documentaries are pretty straight forward.
I encourage every single American to watch his Civil War series if nothing else. Impossibly balanced treatment of the war.
I've only watched the first episode of this one - but so far, pretty fair. Slammed the commies, slammed Diem, slammed the French - a little fawning over Ho in the first episode, but that's about it.
Posted on 9/27/17 at 7:57 am to Spaceman Spiff
Thank you for posting this link!
Posted on 9/28/17 at 1:31 pm to Drank
Part 10 is very good. Wow.
Posted on 9/28/17 at 4:07 pm to GeauxTGRZ
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I need to watch The War and Jazz next. Then Baseball.
Obviously if you haven't seen The Civil War it is a mandatory must watch. But an underrated one he did is The West. In the middle of a re watch of that one and it is an absolutely stunning and encompassing epic of the events and places that shaped and settled the American frontier and who we are as a nation now even. Burns is brilliant.
Posted on 9/28/17 at 8:29 pm to Drank
Man this has been a heavy watch. Almost done with Episode 8 and it’s starting to wear on me.
Posted on 9/28/17 at 8:36 pm to Drank
Burns is brilliant. I just watched the episode where the POWs return home and it got dusty in the house. Great series.
But, make no mistake, this is not an unbiased account of the war.
But, make no mistake, this is not an unbiased account of the war.
Posted on 9/28/17 at 8:59 pm to Spaceman Spiff
The documentary has been very informing and interesting. I've learned so much more watching it than all the times I've been lectured about Vietnam at every grade level in a history class. Whether or not it has a left leaning agenda, I really don't give a rat's arse. If anything, the people who are hyper-critical of the documentary need to get off their lazy arse and make a documentary of their own instead of sitting on the sideline being critical. At least Burns put forth the effort to put it all together.
Posted on 9/28/17 at 11:33 pm to RealityTiger
The blonde older woman at the end who visits The Wall and cries on camera and apologizies for protesting the soldiers and calling them baby-killers..."we were young" she says.
That's a lesson to now.
That's a lesson to now.
Posted on 9/29/17 at 1:43 am to bamagreycoat
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he original M-16 and to a lesser extent the M-16A2 service rifle are very high maintenance rifles. They require constant care, lubing, and cleaning. The AK-47 is a very rugged weapon in comparison, perfect for jungle combat. The NVA and VC did have an advantage in that area. The M-14 was the rifle that was used before the original M-16. My uncle told me some Marines refused to use the M-16 at first and had to be threatened with court martial to give up their M-14's.
The M-16/M-4 was designed for a professional soldier. The AK-47 was designed for a draftee or child soldier, to put it crudely. Difference in cultural attitude, approach, and social engineering is important when talking about national weaponry.
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Posted on 9/29/17 at 7:27 am to Drank
For anybody who liked the music, they did release a soundtrack.
38 songs.
38 songs.
This post was edited on 9/29/17 at 7:28 am
Posted on 9/29/17 at 8:26 am to AbuTheMonkey
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The M-16/M-4 was designed for a professional soldier. The AK-47 was designed for a draftee or child soldier, to put it crudely. D
Not military. Never claim to be, so I must ask. Which idea is better? Shouldn't a soldiers weapon just fricking work with minimum maintenance? Conditions are beyond control. Should a combat weapon be fickle?
Was there any advantage to an m-16 compared to an Ak-47 in 1968?
What is the standard soldier/marine handed in combat today?
Posted on 9/29/17 at 8:35 am to Spaceman Spiff
quote:Interesting given recent events.....
or committing the culturally ruthless sin of bulldozing grave monuments of the South Vietnamese?
Posted on 9/29/17 at 8:38 am to LSU alum wannabe
So..what I get from all off this is, we should have got buddy buddy with uncle Ho in the 40's, then denied France's claim to Indochina.
Unlike the other communist countries Vietnam did preserve a national identity above all. They also looked towards the west for trade.(They are an ally now)
Seems we share a lot of blame for putting stopping communism above ending colonialism.
I never knew that the Vietnamese independence speech started out with a Thomas Jefferson quote.
While this may lean left, I thought a good job was done showing the mistakes made by three democrats who made the war worse.
Truman's decision to back France's claim to the colony.
Kennedy not wanting to pull out until afterc the election.
Johnson sending in ground troops while telling Americans he is pulling back. The last two put party politics before the nation's interests.
Unlike the other communist countries Vietnam did preserve a national identity above all. They also looked towards the west for trade.(They are an ally now)
Seems we share a lot of blame for putting stopping communism above ending colonialism.
I never knew that the Vietnamese independence speech started out with a Thomas Jefferson quote.
While this may lean left, I thought a good job was done showing the mistakes made by three democrats who made the war worse.
Truman's decision to back France's claim to the colony.
Kennedy not wanting to pull out until afterc the election.
Johnson sending in ground troops while telling Americans he is pulling back. The last two put party politics before the nation's interests.
Posted on 9/29/17 at 8:39 am to Crow Pie
I also always thought the burning monks were protesting communism not the religious rules set by the Catholic minority.
Posted on 9/29/17 at 8:40 am to Crow Pie
This show is a bear - I went into it thinking it was going to be a regular - 1 hour deal - I mean, Civil War averages about 1 1/4 hour each - which is the content equivalent of just under 2 hour long "broadcast" shows (for you kids, back in the day, shows were "broadcast" over the air. You didn't have to pay anything for them, but folks would pay to advertise their goods and services on there, thus you had a 1 hour show with 10 to 20 minutes of ads for beer, insurance, cars, boner pills, etc.).
But, these are almost 2 hours - so that's 10 feature films. And you can't passively watch because most of the [EXPLETIVE DELETED] interviews have to be subtitled.
But, these are almost 2 hours - so that's 10 feature films. And you can't passively watch because most of the [EXPLETIVE DELETED] interviews have to be subtitled.
This post was edited on 9/29/17 at 8:42 am
Posted on 9/29/17 at 8:56 am to Ace Midnight
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And you can't passively watch because most of the [EXPLETIVE DELETED] interviews have to be subtitled.
Very smart I thought. I hate when actors or translators take over. They always ham it up. These are Vietnamese men. And old school. To hear their voices waiver is powerful even in Vietnamese. The blonde headed wildly gay Old dude who was an NVA saying how he and his mother who had no idea for 6 years if he was alive or dead “cried but weren’t a spectacle” (something like that). Every guy in their building who went died except him. So they could not celebrate. An actor or translator would have fricked that up.
Posted on 9/29/17 at 8:59 am to Ace Midnight
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But, these are almost 2 hours - so that's 10 feature films.
I think I read that it took about 10 years to complete this documentary.
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