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re: Can we admit this was the wrong time to call out the "alt left"?

Posted on 8/16/17 at 11:47 am to
Posted by BamaAtl
South of North
Member since Dec 2009
22023 posts
Posted on 8/16/17 at 11:47 am to
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If ANTIFA doesn't go there looking for violence, would there have been violence?


Absolutely. The Nazis assaulted students surrounding the statue the night before. Students, not ANTIFA.
Posted by Dallasgrowl
Allen, Texas
Member since Oct 2003
7006 posts
Posted on 8/16/17 at 11:48 am to
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100% correct.

It doesn't put all the blame on them.
It puts a substantial portion on them though.

It also puts a substantial portion on Fields and the KKK cretins.

Meanwhile, it leaves another substantial portion resting at the feet of instigating politicians.

There is a lot of blame to go around.
Failure to acknowledge that is dishonest as hell.


Nicely put.
Posted by Turbeauxdog
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Posted on 8/16/17 at 11:49 am to
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Posted by Codythetiger
Arkansas
Member since Nov 2006
27733 posts
Posted on 8/16/17 at 11:50 am to
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BLM killed cops in multiple cities and they are embraced by the Dems and invited to the White House by Obama. I'm sure you were up in arms over this.


Can't believe you didn't get a response to that question.

You just don't get it though Revelator. The guy who killed people in his car was actually white this time. So it's serious business. The cops deserved to die by BLM they were just freedom fighting for America and standing up to evil. But this guy.. this guy was white.. we can't be having that shite. All republicans evil, got it? Stick to the plot.

Posted by HeyHeyHogsAllTheWay
Member since Feb 2017
12458 posts
Posted on 8/16/17 at 11:51 am to
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Reminder: The Nazis killed someone.


Incorrect. One idiot killed someone.

ANd it was sheer dumb luck that more people weren't killed by idiots on both sides.

Posted by Bard
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51915 posts
Posted on 8/16/17 at 11:56 am to
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You have your facts wrong. the Neo Nazis are the ones who left THEIR designated area.


Complete and utter horseshite. The nationalists' permit was for Emancipation Park, ANTIFA members tried to block the entrances to the park. How could they be in their designated area (which was not the park) if they are blocking the entrance to the park?
Posted by Bard
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Posted on 8/16/17 at 11:58 am to

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Absolutely. The Nazis assaulted students surrounding the statue the night before. Students, not ANTIFA.


When you counter-protest you are purposely creating a confrontation. Don't be shocked when it happens.
Posted by Codythetiger
Arkansas
Member since Nov 2006
27733 posts
Posted on 8/16/17 at 12:04 pm to
Whoever downvoted me please elaborate?

From what I see in the MSN, BLM isn't a terror organization and they have black people sniping cops.. don't see many people on the left denouncing them?

Do you see what the Righties are talking about? You have so much hypocrisy when you spew this rhetoric.

The actually white dude who ran these people over (I say it like that because it's mostly muslim extremist who do that and I wanted to remind you. Ask Europe, they took a sigh of relief it wasn't them again) was crazy and well noted that he was crazy. He will have a special place in hell and I won't be sad because of it.

Posted by LSUTANGERINE
Baton Rouge LA
Member since Sep 2006
36113 posts
Posted on 8/16/17 at 12:13 pm to
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One idiot killed someone.

Yet "BLM killed cops"?
Posted by texag7
College Station
Member since Apr 2014
37608 posts
Posted on 8/16/17 at 12:15 pm to
They still march and shout "kill whitey" "frick pigs" "kill cops".
Posted by HeyHeyHogsAllTheWay
Member since Feb 2017
12458 posts
Posted on 8/16/17 at 12:16 pm to
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Yet "BLM killed cops"?


You have a link to me saying that? DIdn't think so.
Posted by EZE Tiger Fan
Member since Jul 2004
50492 posts
Posted on 8/16/17 at 12:18 pm to
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of Nazis with some perceived evil of some mythical ANTIFA group is abhorrent.


Serious question, Politards.

Why do you go back and forth with someone who will shameless lie about everything?
Posted by HeyHeyHogsAllTheWay
Member since Feb 2017
12458 posts
Posted on 8/16/17 at 12:18 pm to
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Complete and utter horse shite. The nationalists' permit was for Emancipation Park, ANTIFA members tried to block the entrances to the park. How could they be in their designated area (which was not the park) if they are blocking the entrance to the park?



Again, there was lot of fault here. The police had a deal with both groups that each group would enter the park from certain entry points and stay on certain sides of the park. BOTH sides broke that deal.

Just as we can't have an honest discussion when liberals deny that their side did anything wrong, we can't have an honest discussion if you pretend YOUR side did nothing wrong.

Posted by Vacherie Saint
Member since Aug 2015
39650 posts
Posted on 8/16/17 at 12:21 pm to
Why is it so fricking difficult for liberals to admit that both groups of fricking armed fringe lunatics have some culpability in all of this?

Why does stating such make you a supporter of white supremacy?
Posted by Bard
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Posted on 8/16/17 at 12:34 pm to
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Just as we can't have an honest discussion when liberals deny that their side did anything wrong, we can't have an honest discussion if you pretend YOUR side did nothing wrong.


My side on this is the truth and common sense. By showing up to counter-protest, these ANTIFA nitwits created the atmosphere for this to happen.

And yes, a LOT of blame goes to the city itself. Had they stepped in during the tiki-torch march, things may not have gotten out of hand in the first place. Had they stated ahead of time that the counter-protesters would not be allowed, this may not have happened. Had they even posted police to try to keep things orderly this may well not have happened.

The basic principle here is that if you go looking to provoke a group, don't be shocked when it works.
This post was edited on 8/16/17 at 12:35 pm
Posted by HeyHeyHogsAllTheWay
Member since Feb 2017
12458 posts
Posted on 8/16/17 at 12:36 pm to
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Had they stated ahead of time that the counter-protesters would not be allowed,


How do you retards not understand how the First Amendment works? You can't disallow speech just because you don't like it.

Posted by LSUTANGERINE
Baton Rouge LA
Member since Sep 2006
36113 posts
Posted on 8/16/17 at 12:50 pm to
My bad. I thought it was you. But I guarantee the person who posted that BLM killed cops was not attribute the killing on Saturday to the neo-Nazi group.
Posted by LSUTANGERINE
Baton Rouge LA
Member since Sep 2006
36113 posts
Posted on 8/16/17 at 12:53 pm to
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Why is it so fricking difficult for liberals to admit that both groups of fricking armed fringe lunatics have some culpability in all of this?
no one here is not admitting that.
Posted by Bard
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Posted on 8/16/17 at 12:54 pm to
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How do you retards not understand how the First Amendment works? You can't disallow speech just because you don't like it.



One of the established limits of the First Amendment is speech which incites an imminent unlawful action. Showing up to counter-protest while wearing riot gear and carrying a weapon shows a clear intent to do just that.

The irony here is that you are calling others "retards" for not knowing enough about the First Amendment.
Posted by Salmon
On the trails
Member since Feb 2008
83653 posts
Posted on 8/16/17 at 12:55 pm to
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Why is it so fricking difficult for liberals to admit that both groups of fricking armed fringe lunatics have some culpability in all of this?


pretty sure the only person in here denying this is Shorty
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