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re: Can we admit this was the wrong time to call out the "alt left"?

Posted on 8/16/17 at 1:13 pm to
Posted by Salmon
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Posted on 8/16/17 at 1:13 pm to
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He just doesn't want to provide an answer because he knows there isn't one.


do YOU have an answer that doesn't involve violence?
Posted by ShortyRob
Member since Oct 2008
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Posted on 8/16/17 at 1:14 pm to
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Yes I did. I said attack them first, blame the left for attacking them, then have the president support you
Facts not in evidence.

Also. Generally speaking. And I know this is going to sound crazy here. But, if a group has attacked people all across the country.........and then announces they plan to attack my group.........and then they show up ARMED......saying I'm supposed to wait on them is comic in the extreme.
Posted by LSUTANGERINE
Baton Rouge LA
Member since Sep 2006
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Posted on 8/16/17 at 1:14 pm to
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I can't speak for the majority of the board, but, I happen to think those assaulting the idiot flag burner were wrong and charged with assault.

Fair enough. I don't know if you were on this board or on the OT during that time. But the vast majority were of the " I don't care, he got what's coming to him, how dare him try to burn an American flag...'Murica " types
Posted by ShortyRob
Member since Oct 2008
82116 posts
Posted on 8/16/17 at 1:15 pm to
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do YOU have an answer that doesn't involve violence?
You're the one saying they were equally wrong.

So. What could they have done to not be equally wrong.

Come on. Give it a shot.

It won't kill you.
Posted by NIH
Member since Aug 2008
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Posted on 8/16/17 at 1:15 pm to
The reaction to the flag burner was as disgusting as the burner himself.
Posted by LSUTANGERINE
Baton Rouge LA
Member since Sep 2006
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Posted on 8/16/17 at 1:16 pm to
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Facts not in evidence

In evidence. There is ample video of both sides attacking others first. You are either being naïve or disingenuous if you think people on the left we're the only ones attacking others first.
Posted by ShortyRob
Member since Oct 2008
82116 posts
Posted on 8/16/17 at 1:16 pm to
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Fair enough. I don't know if you were on this board or on the OT during that time. But the vast majority were of the " I don't care, he got what's coming to him, how dare him try to burn an American flag...'Murica " types

I know there are people who would happily assault those who say shite they don't like.

I'm not among them.

This doesn't mean I've never seen people I hated enough to WANT to assault.

But, I'm not 4.
Posted by Salmon
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Posted on 8/16/17 at 1:17 pm to
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You're the one saying they were equally wrong.


because I've stated multiple times that they both went there with the intent to fight/incite violence.

You won't admit to that. You have absolved the Nazis of all wrongdoing.

quote:

So. What could they have done to not be equally wrong.


If they were just peacefully protesting, I wouldn't place blame on them.

Posted by CptBengal
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Posted on 8/16/17 at 1:17 pm to
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do YOU have an answer that doesn't involve violence?




So if someone threatens violence on you for exercising your rights...you should take it?



You are the kind of person who grovels and doesnt deserve freedom.
Posted by Salmon
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Posted on 8/16/17 at 1:19 pm to
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So if someone threatens violence on you for exercising your rights...you should take it?


depends on the risk/reward

Posted by ShortyRob
Member since Oct 2008
82116 posts
Posted on 8/16/17 at 1:19 pm to
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In evidence. There is ample video of both sides attacking others first. You are either being naïve or disingenuous if you think people on the left we're the only ones attacking others first.
Dude.

One side would have had no one to fight if people ADVERTISING THEIR INTENTION to fight didn't come and then do exactly that.

ANTIFA and let's be honest........a lot of other lefties have been attacking people all over the country. No matter how much you don't like them, the Nazi marchers have NOT.

In fact, they've managed to hold hundreds of rallies with not a drop of violence.
Posted by ShortyRob
Member since Oct 2008
82116 posts
Posted on 8/16/17 at 1:21 pm to
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because I've stated multiple times that they both went there with the intent to fight/incite violence.
And, I've asked you multiple times what the group who planned the rally SHOULD have done rather than be prepared for violence?

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You won't admit to that. You have absolved the Nazis of all wrongdoing.
I've already said multiple times that yes, knowing ANTIFA would be there, the Nazis came to fight.

Please articulate the alternatives the Nazis had given ANTIFA's history.

I'm all ears.

Come on. Give it a shot. It won't kill you.
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If they were just peacefully protesting, I wouldn't place blame on them.

Should the have come armed and prepared given ANTIFA and the left's recent history on this?
Posted by Salmon
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Posted on 8/16/17 at 1:25 pm to
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Should the have come armed and prepared given ANTIFA and the left's recent history on this?


They shouldn't have challenged and tried to incite ANTIFA.

You are completely and utterly being disingenuous in all of this.

Arm yourself if necessary. And if ANTIFA attacks you, defend yourself. But don't fricking incite them and then turn around say "oh we didn't do anything!"

That's bullshite and you know it.

Posted by CptBengal
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Member since Dec 2007
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Posted on 8/16/17 at 1:27 pm to
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They shouldn't have challenged and tried to incite ANTIFA.



How dare they use their free speech!

Antifa is offended!

Seriously, do you think through your arguments, at all? Are you really this fricking brainwashed?
Posted by VOR
Member since Apr 2009
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Posted on 8/16/17 at 1:27 pm to
quote:

Salmon


Didm't you know? Trump is perfect and incapable of error.
Posted by NC_Tigah
Carolinas
Member since Sep 2003
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Posted on 8/16/17 at 1:27 pm to
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He says nothing about the right doing the same
The homicidal KKK moron killed someone with a car. Antifa/BLM has not yet killed someone on this particular occasion in C-ville.

Therefore Antifa/BLM are devoid of blame.

Is that your point?

This post was edited on 8/16/17 at 1:29 pm
Posted by CptBengal
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Member since Dec 2007
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Posted on 8/16/17 at 1:29 pm to
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Didm't you know? Trump is perfect and incapable of error.


Trump was in NC and attacking people?

Link, OR?
Posted by Salmon
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Posted on 8/16/17 at 1:30 pm to
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How dare they use their free speech!


You don't have the right to incite violence or a riot.

quote:

Are you really this fricking brainwashed?



oh the irony
This post was edited on 8/16/17 at 1:31 pm
Posted by rickyh
Positiger Nation
Member since Dec 2003
12477 posts
Posted on 8/16/17 at 1:32 pm to
So one side is carrying Confederate flags and the other is burning the American flag. Choose which one is right. The anti Nazi's are Nazi's. They both are hate groups.
Posted by DawgfaninCa
San Francisco, California
Member since Sep 2012
20092 posts
Posted on 8/16/17 at 1:32 pm to
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How dare they use their free speech!


quote:

You don't have the right to incite violence or a riot.


You don't have the right to riot first then blame the riot on the people who you violently stopped from exercising their First Amendment right.
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