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re: GoT S7 E5 "Eastwatch" MAESTERS THREAD
Posted on 8/10/17 at 9:05 pm to OMLandshark
Posted on 8/10/17 at 9:05 pm to OMLandshark
Could Qyburn have another role to play against the NK?
Also, how far south y'all think he gets before he's stopped, if he is? I think Winterfell is in grave danger.
Also, how far south y'all think he gets before he's stopped, if he is? I think Winterfell is in grave danger.
This post was edited on 8/10/17 at 9:14 pm
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Posted on 8/10/17 at 9:05 pm to OMLandshark
But then again, the Hound didn't see the Wall come down in the flames. It sounded like they were going around it.
So......who knows?
So......who knows?
Posted on 8/10/17 at 9:11 pm to OMLandshark
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Yeah, I'm thinking all the dead south of the Wall with any flesh on them will rise. I imagine the Mountain will also be affected. I do like the thought that as the Wall falls Cersei is hosting court and the Mountain's eyes begin to glow blue.
I'm leaning more towards the "they have to be in the NK's vicinity" and "he has to make a conscious effort" to reanimate line of thought.
I don't think we saw any evidence of wildlings popping up from graves and such north of the wall. And it seems like the little girl stuck to the tree in ep. 1 didn't animate at first. Nor did the body parts of the wildings that were placed in patterns. And the fresh Hardhome dead didn't reanimate till he raised his arms.
Now I think a body brought inside the wall did reanimate but it seems like the NK might have done that on purpose since it went after Mormont.
So, it could go either way but I'd guess the NK at least has to do it intentionally. And probably he has to be at least somewhere kind of close or have them in his mind.
Posted on 8/10/17 at 9:18 pm to OMLandshark
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Yeah, I'm thinking all the dead south of the Wall with any flesh on them will rise.
Do they even have to have flesh? The ones that killed Jojen were skeletons.
Posted on 8/10/17 at 9:20 pm to TideWarrior
quote:This has potential. Cersei is about to be besieged by a 100,000 strong army, playing the wating game to starve her out. No risking the dragons taking a stray ballista bolt, when she has no food and nobody can bring it in.
If Cersei could she would send whoever with wildfire and burn
that bitch down.
How to break the siege- break the Wall, let the Night King come in and wreck shite in the North. That eliminates the North's threat to her, and forces Dany to turn her forces around. She can either go North and help her new allies, or hold the line against the Night King on the plains (where the Dothraki and dragons could be more effective), and leave her back exposed to King's Landing. And Qyburn would likely say he has enough wildfire to successfully defend the castle from the dead, so suddenly the advantage would shift (at least, in her mind).
Posted on 8/10/17 at 9:23 pm to TigerFanInSouthland
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Could Qyburn have another role to play against the NK?
Also, how far south y'all think he gets before he's stopped, if he is? I think Winterfell is in grave danger.
They'll get to the South for sure, otherwise we have no reason to care about the threat of the Night's King.
Posted on 8/10/17 at 9:24 pm to OMLandshark
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I'm thinking all the dead south of the Wall with any flesh on them will rise.
I have no idea why you think this.
Posted on 8/10/17 at 9:29 pm to Sid in Lakeshore
Found a pretty interesting discussion on this issue over on Westeros from a couple of years ago:
discussion on wights reanimating
discussion on wights reanimating
Posted on 8/10/17 at 9:31 pm to Scoob
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Scoob
All that is good and well, but if Dany wants KL bad enough, she could go get it and then turn around and take on the NK from the city. Or vice versa. Hell, realistically, Cersei's forces are completely wiped out, she has no army in KL, she could leave half her Dothraki there to siege KL and take the other half north with a dragon or two and leave the other with the Dothraki.
This post was edited on 8/10/17 at 9:34 pm
Posted on 8/10/17 at 9:33 pm to Methuselah
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I'm leaning more towards the "they have to be in the NK's vicinity" and "he has to make a conscious effort" to reanimate line of thought.
I lean against it simply from a story telling perspective. The bottom half of the Seven Kingdoms need to feel it as well and know immediately that they fricked up.
Just thought of another good scene that could happen in Oldtown. Sam is messing around with a cadaver, and all of the sudden the cadavers spring to life all around them when the Wall falls. That could be pretty epic.
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I don't think we saw any evidence of wildlings popping up from graves and such north of the wall
There's a simple reason for that: They burn them. I have no evidence.... well I was going to say maybe their body heat had to leave them, but then I remember Hardhome where that was very immediate. Maybe the Night's King can do it in his vicinity immediately, but it may take time the further away they are. Just spitting off ideas here.
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And it seems like the little girl stuck to the tree in ep. 1 didn't animate at first. Nor did the body parts of the wildings that were placed in patterns.
Those were completely intentional by the Others. Like the corpses Jon dragged back across the Wall I'm sure were wights beforehand, but they were sent there to kill Mormont and act inanimate until they got south of the Wall. I'm guessing that the Others and wights are like vampires where they need to be invited in, which makes Bran south of the Wall a huge concern.
Posted on 8/10/17 at 9:35 pm to Sid in Lakeshore
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I have no idea why you think this.
Because it adds tons and tons of tension and greatly ups the stakes. If I were GRRM that would be a no brainer for me to have the Wall be a more magical than physical barrier.
Posted on 8/10/17 at 9:36 pm to 1BamaRTR
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It obviously wouldn't be as interesting but we've seen very little of the WWs and their army. Some of the best episodes had nothing or very little to do with them.
But they are integral to the ending which everyone wants to know. It's like there's going to be a super bowl. One team we know is the night king and the army of the dead. The other side is till trying to fill its roster. But the showdown will come.
It's like there's
Posted on 8/10/17 at 9:49 pm to OMLandshark
Totally off the wall thought here, but is Essos in any danger from the Night King, assuming he doesn't get a dragon?
Matter of fact, Essos is probably pretty damn happy with things as they are, collectively.
The Free Cities no longer have to worry about the Dothraki, as Dany packed the entire lot of them up and exported them to Westeros.
Dany and her dragons, the major political thorn in their sides concerning business as usual, are also gone.
The Iron Bank seems to have gotten their debt repaid in the nick of time.
And now, you're about to have an epic disaster that could eliminate all these threats permanently, and wipe Westeros off the map too. Good thing this is all occurring on another continent, with the threat apparently unable to pursue skiffs out into the surf (as seen at Hardhome).
Maybe the last episode is revealed to be told by some old man in Pentos or Braavos (Jorah? Sam?), explaining why people don't sail West...
Matter of fact, Essos is probably pretty damn happy with things as they are, collectively.
The Free Cities no longer have to worry about the Dothraki, as Dany packed the entire lot of them up and exported them to Westeros.
Dany and her dragons, the major political thorn in their sides concerning business as usual, are also gone.
The Iron Bank seems to have gotten their debt repaid in the nick of time.
And now, you're about to have an epic disaster that could eliminate all these threats permanently, and wipe Westeros off the map too. Good thing this is all occurring on another continent, with the threat apparently unable to pursue skiffs out into the surf (as seen at Hardhome).
Maybe the last episode is revealed to be told by some old man in Pentos or Braavos (Jorah? Sam?), explaining why people don't sail West...
Posted on 8/10/17 at 9:54 pm to Scoob
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Totally off the wall thought here, but is Essos in any danger from the Night King, assuming he doesn't get a dragon?
If he takes over Westeros, I don't see why he couldn't sail ships of the dead over there.
This is an even bigger reason I'm sure the Wall is a magical barrier rather than a physical one. Surely the Others could figure out how to build a few ships and sail well south of the Wall. Unlike Pyke, there's tons and tons of trees from them to build a fleet. They wouldn't even need sails, just an army of the dead with oars.
This post was edited on 8/10/17 at 9:56 pm
Posted on 8/10/17 at 9:54 pm to OMLandshark
See, from a storytelling perspective, I feel that having every dead man and animal south of the wall suddenly reanimate would be less intriguing. Heck, everything would be over in about a day.
I think a discreet but overwhelming force moving like a tidal wave or other force of nature makes for much more suspense. There is then a point of interest for the heroes to act against.
I'm admittedly not learned on zombie lore, but do any zombie stories involve long dead people reanimating?
I think a discreet but overwhelming force moving like a tidal wave or other force of nature makes for much more suspense. There is then a point of interest for the heroes to act against.
I'm admittedly not learned on zombie lore, but do any zombie stories involve long dead people reanimating?
Posted on 8/10/17 at 9:59 pm to OMLandshark
I was hoping the final battle would happen South.
Major players try to stop the NK and Wights in Winterfell and get their asses firmly handed to them. Cersei agrees to allow them in. Then she tries to burn KL to a crisp with everyone in it? That's crazy but I'd love to see Winter and snow in the South
Major players try to stop the NK and Wights in Winterfell and get their asses firmly handed to them. Cersei agrees to allow them in. Then she tries to burn KL to a crisp with everyone in it? That's crazy but I'd love to see Winter and snow in the South
Posted on 8/10/17 at 9:59 pm to Methuselah
quote:
See, from a storytelling perspective, I feel that having every dead man and animal south of the wall suddenly reanimate would be less intriguing. Heck, everything would be over in about a day.
I personally find overwhelming stakes to be more exciting.
quote:
I'm admittedly not learned on zombie lore, but do any zombie stories involve long dead people reanimating?
Well this is a bit different from zombie lore. Zombies rising has to do with someone being directly bitten by a zombie. If anyone dies for any reason north of the Wall, the Wildlings immediately burn them. I think the Night's King would be quite busy if he had to be in the immediate vicinity to raise everyone from the dead.
Posted on 8/10/17 at 10:10 pm to OMLandshark
quote:These wights don't 'infect' anything, they just kill. So long-dead people are just dust and fragile bones, and a quick push from a preteen will cause them to crumble harmlessly. You can then sweep them up.
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I'm admittedly not learned on zombie lore, but do any zombie stories involve long dead people reanimating?
Well this is a bit different from zombie lore. Zombies rising has to do with someone being directly bitten by a zombie. If anyone dies for any reason north of the Wall, the Wildlings immediately burn them. I think the Night's King would be quite busy if he had to be in the immediate vicinity to raise everyone from the dead.
Posted on 8/10/17 at 10:11 pm to OMLandshark
Agree to disagree. The only way I think that would work is if they were going with a "everybody dies and the world of men is no more" scenario. Then they could have the wall come down mid to late season 8 and they could do 2-3 episodes of everybody getting killed by the wights that pop up everyfrickenwhere. Wouldn't exactly be bittersweet though.
Posted on 8/10/17 at 10:15 pm to Gugich22
before Hardhome aired, did the previews (etc.) hint at a WW attack?
I seem to remember being completely surprised by it. I wish this episode was the same...
I seem to remember being completely surprised by it. I wish this episode was the same...
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