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re: President Trump on wind-generated electricity
Posted on 6/23/17 at 7:38 am to GeorgeWest
Posted on 6/23/17 at 7:38 am to GeorgeWest
He is right about the birds. He is also right about the volatility of wind power. Iowa's grid is in constant flux due to wind not being consistent.
Posted on 6/23/17 at 7:41 am to GeorgeWest
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wind-generated electricity by GeorgeWest
shite the Dems alone create enough fricking wind to power the western hemisphere
Posted on 6/23/17 at 7:45 am to GeorgeWest
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the environmentalists never talk about that."
That's because many aren't true environmentalist. They're communist who altered their moniker in the 70's to push their agenda via a cause (clean environment) they knew no one could openly oppose.
Posted on 6/23/17 at 7:45 am to MastrShake
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as if the trumps actually give a shite about animals
How are those pics indicative of whether the Trump's care about animals or not?
Posted on 6/23/17 at 7:45 am to Fontainebleau Dr.
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The OP is misrepresenting what Trump said. He said it in the context of wanting to diversify America's energy, including wind.
But he doesn't want to rely on any one sector of energy too much.
Correct. Trump even went on to say wind is a good choice in the right situation.
Posted on 6/23/17 at 7:47 am to Mo Jeaux
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fully implemented alternative energy source that has already demonstrated that it can satisfy the full energy demands of large communities in a cost effective manner?
As an engineer in the renewable industry (utility level), that is completely false.
Posted on 6/23/17 at 8:08 am to NC_Tigah
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Melt a little harder. Wind turbines kill birds
It's not that I don't believe the birds are dying, I just don't believe humans have much effect on it. Birds have been dying for as long as they've existed.
Posted on 6/23/17 at 8:17 am to Erin Go Bragh
Solar farms kill birds, butterflies, etc. Thought dims loved the planet?
LINK
A new report by the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service finds that solar facilities in California are acting like “mega traps” that kill and injure birds. As a result, “entire food chains” are being disrupted.
USFWS’s National Fish and Wildlife Forensics Laboratory studied three solar farms in Southern California: Desert Sunlight, Genesis Solar and Ivanpah Solar Electric Generating System (ISEGS). Two-hundred and thirty-three different birds from 71 species were found over the course of a two-year study.
The three main causes of death were:
1. Solar flux: Exposure to temperatures over 800 degrees F.
2. Impact (or blunt force) trauma: The birds’ wings are rendered inoperable while flying, causing them to crash into the ground. Birds that do not die are often injured badly enough to make them vulnerable to predators.
3. Predators: When a bird’s wings are singed and it can not fly, it loses its primary means of defense against animals like foxes and coyotes.
Hummingbirds, swifts, swallows, doves, hawks, finches, warblers and owls were just some dead birds found at the solar facilities’ “equal opportunity” mortality hazards.
In one instance, lab staff observed a “falcon-type bird with a plume of smoke arising from the tail as it passed through [a] flux field.”
The study found that besides the intense heat, birds may be mistaking large solar panels for bodies of water. The injured birds then attract insects and other predators to the area. They, too, are then vulnerable to injury or death.
In one instance, researchers found “hundreds upon hundreds” of butterfly carcasses (including Monarchs). The insects were attracted to the light from the solar farms, which in turn attracted birds and perpetuated a cycle of death and injury.
One of the recommendations of the study, which stated that the number of deaths was likely underrepresented, was to retrofit solar panels to discourage birds and insects from congregating in the area.
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A new report by the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service finds that solar facilities in California are acting like “mega traps” that kill and injure birds. As a result, “entire food chains” are being disrupted.
USFWS’s National Fish and Wildlife Forensics Laboratory studied three solar farms in Southern California: Desert Sunlight, Genesis Solar and Ivanpah Solar Electric Generating System (ISEGS). Two-hundred and thirty-three different birds from 71 species were found over the course of a two-year study.
The three main causes of death were:
1. Solar flux: Exposure to temperatures over 800 degrees F.
2. Impact (or blunt force) trauma: The birds’ wings are rendered inoperable while flying, causing them to crash into the ground. Birds that do not die are often injured badly enough to make them vulnerable to predators.
3. Predators: When a bird’s wings are singed and it can not fly, it loses its primary means of defense against animals like foxes and coyotes.
Hummingbirds, swifts, swallows, doves, hawks, finches, warblers and owls were just some dead birds found at the solar facilities’ “equal opportunity” mortality hazards.
In one instance, lab staff observed a “falcon-type bird with a plume of smoke arising from the tail as it passed through [a] flux field.”
The study found that besides the intense heat, birds may be mistaking large solar panels for bodies of water. The injured birds then attract insects and other predators to the area. They, too, are then vulnerable to injury or death.
In one instance, researchers found “hundreds upon hundreds” of butterfly carcasses (including Monarchs). The insects were attracted to the light from the solar farms, which in turn attracted birds and perpetuated a cycle of death and injury.
One of the recommendations of the study, which stated that the number of deaths was likely underrepresented, was to retrofit solar panels to discourage birds and insects from congregating in the area.
Posted on 6/23/17 at 8:18 am to BuckeyesAndBulldogs
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Birds have been dying for as long as they've existed
Just like the climate has been changing for as long as it's existed.
Posted on 6/23/17 at 8:22 am to Dale51
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Just like the climate has been changing for as long as it's existed
Glad you've been able to pick up on sarcasm. Congrats champ.
Posted on 6/23/17 at 9:10 am to GeorgeWest
I thought you guys liked hyperbole. You sure ate it up when Jug Ears was in the White House.
Posted on 6/23/17 at 9:30 am to Mo Jeaux
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So, conservatives are for a fully developed and fully implemented alternative energy source that has already demonstrated that it can satisfy the full energy demands of large communities in a cost effective manner?
I'm assuming you mean nuclear here. Because surely you wouldn't be so stupid as to claim solar or wind falls under this....
Right?
Posted on 6/23/17 at 9:33 am to Centinel
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Because surely you wouldn't be so stupid as to claim solar or wind falls under this....
Right?
I'd be careful with casting aspersions of stupidity if I were you. The intent of my statement obviously flew over your head.
Posted on 6/23/17 at 9:35 am to AUsteriskPride
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They're a fricking eyesore, I know that much.
Have a client looking for some land on the island of Hawaii. I'm amazed at how many beautiful places have an ugly arse wind turbine on them.
Posted on 6/23/17 at 9:39 am to Mo Jeaux
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The intent of my statement obviously flew over your head.
Nah. Your intent is just stupid. The transition to electrical lighting didn't require massive tax subsidies and forced government regulation.
The point YOU seemed to miss was that the transition to renewables should only happen when it's economically viable to do so. Wind will never be economically viable on a large scale, and I have serious doubts solar ever will.
Posted on 6/23/17 at 9:46 am to Centinel
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The transition to electrical lighting didn't require massive tax subsidies and forced government regulation.
Yes, our tax code is certainly more intricate in the 21st century than in the 19th century. Any more brilliant observations, Einstein? No forced government regulation in the transition to electricity? The paucity of intelligent thought in that statement is laughable.
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Wind will never be economically viable on a large scale, and I have serious doubts solar ever will.
Do you have the winning lottery numbers too?
It's amazing that there are a lot of intelligent people working in the alternative energy sector (I even work with some), but Centinel on Tigerdroppings already has all the answers.
Posted on 6/23/17 at 10:02 am to GeorgeWest
He was more referencing the symbol of our Nation being killed off in large number by the wind turbines I believe. Aren't most of you lefty twinks all in your "feelings"? I expect better from you.
#eaglelivesmatter
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#eaglelivesmatter
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Bald and golden eagles may be legally killed or injured in the thousands by high-speed turbines (reaching speeds up to 170 miles per hour), under new regulations released Wednesday by the Obama administration. The rules, which affect individual wind-energy companies that plan to operate the technology for up to 30 years, allows up to 4,200 of the birds to perish
LINK
Posted on 6/24/17 at 12:45 am to Tyrusrex
Fully agree with your point that conservatives should support the renewable energy industry, but it should be done without government subsidy for either industry. The global market for renewable energy will no doubt be larger than the coal industry in the years to come. American workers will be better off if we go ahead and develop that industry in the states instead of letting other countries take the lead.
Posted on 6/24/17 at 1:43 am to RidiculousHype
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And serial killers don't have a real impact on human populations..
You should probably send that one back through and see if a better analogy comes back.
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