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re: Poche pitching tomorrow per Mainieri
Posted on 6/2/17 at 9:26 am to AtlantaLSUfan
Posted on 6/2/17 at 9:26 am to AtlantaLSUfan
quote:Only because of Latz melt and you can't base every regional rotation off that.
We threw Poche twice in 2016 regionals
I'd take Walker over LSU's regional foe's #3, #2 or #1, but the staff needs to see the frosh start and work early in ncaat setting, not later (possibly Omaha).
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Posted on 6/2/17 at 9:40 am to ell_13
quote:I don't think 2 weeks is what concerns people. It's 3 weeks.
It's like people think 2 weeks off is much different from 1
He pitched last Sunday. If he doesn't pitch this weekend OR in the SR, it'll be 3 weeks once he does pitch in live action.
Bullpen sessions are not anywhere near the same as live action.
Posted on 6/2/17 at 9:45 am to ell_13
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I want us to do what we have to do to win this regional. And I think that means not wasting Poche on Texas Southern.
I would much prefer Peterson/Bain/Reynolds/Beck combo today vs. Texas Southern.
We are infinitely more likely to beat TS with them on the mound than with them in a winner-advance game on Monday vs Rice or SELU.
Tex S - Combo staff
Game 2 - Lange
Game 3 - Poche
If we win them all, great. Or if we have a comfortable lead in Game 3, let Walker throw a few innings out of the bullpen.
Resting Walker (if we sweep the weekend) is much better than burning Poche vs TS and with the possibility of having to rely on the back of the rotation guys to hold the rope on Monday.
Who would the Rant prefer in a must win Monday game vs Rice/SELU?
Walker or Peterson/Bain?
Posted on 6/2/17 at 9:46 am to Fishhead
quote:Semantics. 2 weekends off. 1 weekend off. 3 weeks off. 2 weeks off. Either way it's just an extra week.
I don't think 2 weeks is what concerns people. It's 3 weeks.
He pitched last Sunday. If he doesn't pitch this weekend OR in the SR, it'll be 3 weeks once he does pitch in live action.
quote:The difference is the adrenaline and emotion and maintaining feel/mechanics with those in play. Does he suddenly forget those things after 3 weeks but not 2?
Bullpen sessions are not anywhere near the same as live action.
Posted on 6/2/17 at 9:49 am to AtlantaLSUfan
Well, it's too early to start Walker, so that leaves you with either Lange, Gilbert, or Peterson against a #4. Either way, 2 of the 5 starters are gonna go 2 weeks without having a start. I'd rather it be Gilbert or Peterson than Walker. I think best bet is to have Poche throw enough innings to get the win today.
Posted on 6/2/17 at 9:53 am to GRIZZ
I don't understand why PM doesn't stick w Sec T rotation?
Posted on 6/2/17 at 10:05 am to ell_13
It's not semantics. You said two weeks. But the reality is, it's realistically possible he won't pitch for 3 weeks, and then be expected to go out in OMAHA after not having pitched in 3 weeks. I guarantee if he hadn't pitched in 3 weeks then stunk it up in Omaha, PM would get crucified on here for allowing him to get rusty.
Either way has its advantages, but I just feel why not throw your 3 legit starters and get it over with? It'd be great to start your 3rd starter against the #4, but he pitched 5 days ago, so Poche it is.
Either way has its advantages, but I just feel why not throw your 3 legit starters and get it over with? It'd be great to start your 3rd starter against the #4, but he pitched 5 days ago, so Poche it is.
Posted on 6/2/17 at 10:06 am to AtlantaLSUfan
quote:Poche went 5.1 innings and gave up 3 runs with 6 strike outs. He wasn't perfect, but I wouldn't say he didn't have it. Lange didn't have it in his start.
People are so wrong on this. We threw Poche twice in 2016 regionals then he didn't have it in the supers and our season was over.
quote:We'd have to have a pretty big lead in the 3rd game for Walker to get any relief action, if we were to go Gilbert/peterson/etc, Lange, poche. Wouldn't be able to risk losing that game and being SOL in the if necessary.
If we only gets a few relief innings because we sailed thru our regional - that's not a problem!
Posted on 6/2/17 at 10:07 am to BayouBengals03
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If Mainieri declares that the starting pitcher will only pitch for X amount of innings, he gets the win if he comes out when his team is ahead.
That might be the case in a midweek game during the regular season. This is an NCAA tournament game. If Poche gets a win, he will have to go 5. And even if that were the case, its doubtful Mainieri would insult the other team he's playing by requesting they change things so his starter can get a win even in he only throws two or three innings.
Posted on 6/2/17 at 10:08 am to 81Tiger
[quote/] possibility of having to rely on the back of the rotation guys to hold the rope on Monday.
Who would the Rant prefer in a must win Monday game vs Rice/SELU?
Walker or Peterson/Bain?
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It's not like LSU will be going against someone's ace. The team they play will be on their 4th guy at least also. Depending on Poche's outing today he could also be an option at some point Monday like he was last year.
Who would the Rant prefer in a must win Monday game vs Rice/SELU?
Walker or Peterson/Bain?
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It's not like LSU will be going against someone's ace. The team they play will be on their 4th guy at least also. Depending on Poche's outing today he could also be an option at some point Monday like he was last year.
Posted on 6/2/17 at 10:12 am to Fishhead
quote:Because he would miss two weekends. Two extra weeks. Starters go a week without pitching vs live batters all year long. When people say "give him a week off" they aren't referring to normal rest. Again, it's semantics. I made my point that it's just an extra week without facing live batters. That's all.
It's not semantics. You said two weeks.
quote:And he'd be crucified if Walker doesn't pitch well. People will say it was because he got no rest all year long and wasn't given a week or two off when it was available.
I guarantee if he hadn't pitched in 3 weeks then stunk it up in Omaha, PM would get crucified on here for allowing him to get rusty.
quote:In what order and why? We are in this position because Walker isn't available, right? Had he been available this wouldn't be a question. Unless PM had always planned for Poche to throw game 1 no matter what. In that case, PM would now consider Walker our number 2. I'm not sure about that.
but I just feel why not throw your 3 legit starters and get it over with?
Posted on 6/2/17 at 10:14 am to geauxtigers33
quote:
Who would the Rant prefer in a must win Monday game vs Rice/SELU?
Cartwright
Posted on 6/2/17 at 10:16 am to ell_13
quote:It's a bit longer than that since he won't be pitching until the 3rd game of the cws, which would be either Wednesday, Thursday, or Friday. But I think walker would be fine either way.
Semantics. 2 weekends off. 1 weekend off. 3 weeks off. 2 weeks off. Either way it's just an extra week
Posted on 6/2/17 at 10:19 am to ell_13
quote:This is why I kinda wish we would've only thrown walker a couple innings and then went wholestaff against arky. Yes, it would've been tougher to win the SEC tournament, but it would've set things up perfectly for the regional
We are in this position because Walker isn't available, right? Had he been available this wouldn't be a question. Unless PM had always planned for Poche to throw game 1 no matter what. In that case, PM would now consider Walker our number 2. I'm not sure about that.
Posted on 6/2/17 at 10:20 am to OneMoreTime
quote:3rd game would be wednesday regardless.
It's a bit longer than that since he won't be pitching until the 3rd game of the cws, which would be either Wednesday, Thursday, or Friday. But I think walker would be fine either way.
Posted on 6/2/17 at 10:20 am to OneMoreTime
quote:
he won't be pitching until the 3rd game of the cws
yeah but just imagine we win the first 2 in Omaha. It could be almost a month without any live game action. what a tough spot to be in.
/s
Posted on 6/2/17 at 10:20 am to geauxtigers33
quote:
It's not like LSU will be going against someone's ace. The team they play will be on their 4th guy at least also.
I'd prefer Walker vs their #4 over wasting Poche on TS.
Throwing Jared today is overkill.
It's like being trump tight in Bourré and cutting with the ace for the first trick.
Posted on 6/2/17 at 10:28 am to ell_13
quote:nope. You win the 1st two your 3rd game is Friday. You go 1-1 and you play either Wednesday or Thursday depending on if you started on Saturday or Sunday.
3rd game would be wednesday regardless
Posted on 6/2/17 at 10:35 am to OneMoreTime
You're right. I was only looking at the two 1-1 scenarios. 2-0 would be Friday. We start on Saturday this year being the 4 seed.
ETA: Got dammit, wrong again. NCAA decides which side starts after the super.
ETA: Got dammit, wrong again. NCAA decides which side starts after the super.
This post was edited on 6/2/17 at 10:39 am
Posted on 6/2/17 at 12:17 pm to ell_13
How pissed will LSU fans get if Lange drops his game tomorrow and Mainieri has Eric Walker left with the season on the line? 
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