re: The case against Derek Barnett

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Very comparable. I'd take a guy that compares favorable to the obvious #1 pick all day. Just sayin'.

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That doesn't guarantee success.

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The top chart is percentages. Total games wouldn't change that.

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First off, you are right and wrong. Yes, they are percentages. That is the only thing you are right about.

These percentages are based off total numbers, which are not taking into account how many games played. Read the damn chart dude. PERCENT OF CAREER PRODUCTION (ie total number of sacks/pressures/hurries).

Garrett got 32% of his sacks in SEC play. Well, had he played in the 3 SEC games that he missed, he surely would have more sacks/pressures/hits, which would bring that 32% number up.


And again, context comes into play. Why are Barnett's sacks vs Kentucky more impressive then Garrett's OOC sacks vs UCLA, Louisville, or AZ State?

I don't feel Barnett at 11. I've been on the Reuben Foster train, but he may be more of an idiot than I realized. But my rationalization remains the same... there is not a huge gap, if any gap between Barnett and the pass rushers available at 32/42. So take a baller at 11, Foster, McAffery, etc

But there's only so much college production can do for a player. Michael Sam was a stud at Missouri.


Jarvis Jones was at Georgia. Yes Barnett is productive but does that mean we should take him at 11? Frick no. There has to be more to him and right now I don't see him coming in right away and being a force.

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All we really need a contributor. Sure, if we drafted a DE that turns out to be Watt caliber, that'd be great but it is not necessary. I think Barnett would make a solid player, maybe not HOF or anything but a good, solid, contributing player.

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You hope the 11th overall player is better than this.

So wait, LTs matter now but originally you wanna base their productivity on Something as broad as conference numbers? Do I really need to explain how dumb that is?

Myles Garrett plays against no one( teams!!)

Derek Barnett racks up stats against weak SEC teams....but look at the LTs!!!!

Man how come you don't say go look at the tackles Garrett has played against instead of sitting here railing against the teams he's played against?

Because by and large SEC has the better tackles. Yes it was a generalization but you can go look and see how many drafted or soon to be drafted LTs he's faced vs. Garrett and how they did against those players.

Barnett 2014
9 sacks
1 sack vs. 1st rounder DJ Humphries
2 sacks vs. 1st rounder Laremy Tunsil
3 sacks vs. 7th rounder Corey Robinson
2 sacks vs. UDFA (but still in the NFL) Darrian Miller

8 sacks against player that made it to the nfl (and I believe the player he got his other sack against is trying to get in this year).

2015
10 sacks
1 sack vs. Orlando Brown (could have entered draft as a rs sophomore this year)
1 sack vs. 5th rounder John Theus
1 sack vs. projected 1st rounder Cam Robinson
2 sacks vs. UDFA Jordan Swindle
1 sack vs. 5th rounder Brandon Shell.
1 sack vs. Michael Banogu who is entering the draft this year and will likely be an UDFA
2 sacks vs. projected 4th-6th rounder Will Holden

9 sacks against players in the nfl or soon will be.

2016
13 sacks
2 sacks vs. projected 3rd-5th rounder David Sharpe
2 sacks vs. projected 7th rounder Tyler Catalina
1 sack vs. projected UDFA Avery Gennesy
1 sack vs. projected 1st rounder Cam Robinson
3 sacks vs. projected UDFA Mason Zandi
1 sack vs. 2018 38th ranked tackle Cole Mosier
1 sack vs. 2018 32nd ranked tackle Tyler Howell
1 sack vs. projected 4th-6th rounder Will Holden
1 sack vs. 2019 16th ranked guard (played LT this year) Nick Gates

That's 10 sacks against guys that will be in the nfl and 3 more that have a good shot to be in the nfl.

All together he has 27 sacks against players that are or will be in the nfl this year, and 3 more against players that very likely will be.

That's an extremely high percent of his sacks against nfl caliber opponents.

Compared to Garrett who has more than half of his sacks against guys who aren't or didn't enter the draft (maybe even a higher percent as I didn't even check the other 13.

And to assume that all these sacks came 1on 1 with these players is ridiculous

So just to recap, at least 18 of Garrett's 31 sacks came against guys that will NEVER make it to the nfl.

27 of 32 of Barnett's sacks (with possibly another 3) came against players that are or will be in the nfl.

Knock him all you want but the guy has proven to be extremely consistent and that he most definitely can hang with nfl caliber players. He didn't rack up a bunch of garbage sacks against garbage players.

Not even I am going that far. I'm just sick of the rhetoric that Barnett won't be good because combine.

He has PROVEN he can do it against nfl caliber talent. His 3 cone was great. His production was great. His tape looks great. He didn't rack up garbage sacks or tackles. Great hands. Great body bend.

But starting off he is sorely lacking in pass rush moves and can learn to take a better angle to the QB on his outside rush (too often got pushed past the QB, otherwise his production would be insane).

You teach him a spin move and how to bend the edge and he could be great. As it is he will be at least a solid 8-10 sack guy.