re: The case against Derek Barnett

I still can't fathom how Garret is ranked so high. He's a bust for sure. I never understood the love for him in college and I certainly don't see it in the NFL.

Barnett played Ole Miss once with 2 sacks, and Alabama twice with 1 sack each game.

Garrett against

Auburn- 3 games (0, 0, and 2)
LSU- 3 games (0, 1, and 0)
Ole Miss- 3 games (1, 0, and 0)
Miss St- 2 games (1 and 1)
Arkansas- 2 games (0 and 1)
Alabama- 3 games (0, 1, and 0)

16 games with 8 sacks (0.5 sack per game). His sack production dropped in half vs. these teams.

His other 5 sacks (going back to my other post with the nobodies and taking out those 18) were against South Carolina (1 and 1 and apparently a team not as good as), Louisville (1; did not check their line), UCLA (1; did not check their line), and Tennessee (1; did not check their line).

So Garrett had 31 sacks, 18 against non nfl competition, 10 against nfl competition, and 3 against an unsure competition level.

Barnett had 3 sacks, 2 against non nfl competition, 27 against nfl competition (and Les that's all guys in the nfl or will be this year; check the list with your bullshite hyperbole about being half), and 3 against unsure competition (currently projected to be drafted but still another year out on 2 guys and 2 years out on the other).

Barnett did it WAY more often against guys actually in the league.

And I actually didn't even verify the lines of LSU, AU, and Ark but I don't doubt they're good.

Just double checked and Barnett has 19 sacks against guys in the nfl or are guaranteed to be in the nfl (unless you think Robinson and Holden won't even be UDFAs).

Just stop the bullshite. 19 vs. 10. Barnett can do it against nfl caliber players. Several 1st rounders to boot.

And he still has 8 more sacks against guys projected to be drafted late or be UDFAs this year. And 3 more against guys projected to be drafted and the next 2 years.

He only had 2 sacks against guys likely to never make the nfl. Garrett had 18 of those.

And Barnett's tape is very good.

Tape? Check
Production? Check
Production against NFL caliber opponents? Check
3 cone? Check
Hand? Check
Body bend? Check
Run defense? Check

Speed? Not so much straight line
Pass rush moves? One main with the other undeveloped
Angle to the QB? Gets washed out too often (yet still had 32 sacks)

On Allen, if he somehow falls you definitely have to look, but we already have so many big bodies. He may be too good to pass over though. That's a tough one. Do you just go all big line? Everyone would be around 300 lbs.

I counted the UDFAs that are in the league already (1 or 2), and the guys that are projected 4th round or higher this year, and that's 19 sacks. Against guys that are or will be in the nfl this year.

Those 18 sacks for Garrett are against guys that aren't in the nfl and aren't projected as UDFAs (they had a 999 of 200 ranking on draft scouts). I'll go back and look for names. They were very hard to find and for good reason.

A guaranteed 19 sacks (and maybe as many as 30) for Barnett came against guys that are or will be in the nfl.

Only as many as 13 can be said for Garrett (still haven't checked the other 3).

That's production against nfl caliber players.

Jarvis Jones 2.0.

No thank you.

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I wouldn't even call it snap anticipation. The guy guessed snap counts. He has taken a boatload of penalties for it, too. 

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You obviously never watched Pat Swilling, Rickey Jackson, Derrick Thomas or Lawrence Taylor play. You live with the occasional offsides penalties because you know sooner or later a player like this will make a big play for you. Nobody guessed more snap counts than Derrick Thomas. It's one of the main reasons he holds the NFL record for sacks in a game.

Derrick Thomas Highlights

Lastly, because of the crowd noise in the Dome, jumping or guessing snap counts creates a huge advantage for the edge rusher over a tackle.