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re: Reliable twitter source OAM new info on Butler
Posted on 3/19/17 at 9:45 pm to wildtigercat93
Posted on 3/19/17 at 9:45 pm to wildtigercat93
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Basically Butler and a 4th for Cooks and a 3rd
This is how people need to look at this trade if/when we sign Butler. Which is a great deal. Trade away a luxury asset to shore up the worst part of your team and turn your 4th into a 3rd.
This post was edited on 3/19/17 at 9:46 pm
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Posted on 3/19/17 at 9:46 pm to NOSHAU
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Still of the opinion that the 32nd is way too much to pay for a guy that we are going to have to pay over $10 million a year for.
you're going to have to pay somebody anyway. I'd rather it be him than anything other corner on the roster besides Breaux I think.
there are a lot of unknowns at corner on the roster b/c of injury/youth. At least with Butler, we've seen he can play at a high level and stay pretty healthy the last few years.
can't say that about any other corner on the current roster probably.
Posted on 3/19/17 at 9:47 pm to diat150
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that seems fair outside of us having to give him a big contract and them getting cooks cheap for a couple of years.
Pats will rip up cooks contract for an extension soon regardless. Don't see a big difference here either
Posted on 3/19/17 at 9:49 pm to wildtigercat93
We may have gotten Cooks cheap for two more years, but no one would give us practically anything next off season and he'd walk after getting nothing for him.
This post was edited on 3/19/17 at 9:50 pm
Posted on 3/19/17 at 10:11 pm to bountyhunter
32 + another pick or just 32?
Posted on 3/19/17 at 10:13 pm to CocoLoco
Meateye just stated it will be number 42 and next year's 4th rounder
Posted on 3/19/17 at 10:13 pm to DeathValley85
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So don't get a top corner because Butler was undrafted? Don't get a top corner because the Pats are a smart organization?
Don't be someone else's sucker, that's what I'm saying. The Pats win this trade if we give 32 back, no question. Hell, they've already replaced Butler, they'll giggle all the way to draft night if we give back 32 for a player that's not part of their plans going forward. The Saints are being played. Keep the f-cking pick! Spend the money on a free agent that won't cost us a #1, even if we have to wait till next year. Hell, use the cash to extend a player that we know we like (Hello Willie Snead). Don't be someone else's sucker!
Posted on 3/19/17 at 10:15 pm to Fun Bunch
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I've searched everywhere, and have found nothing that says it can't.
Hmm
Was told we couldn't trade 32 back and haven't seen anyone repeatable mention 32 going back to NE. But I am not sure
Posted on 3/19/17 at 10:15 pm to FightingTigers1
Meat is likely just guessing
Posted on 3/19/17 at 10:21 pm to CocoLoco
One angry midget hmmmmm....
Posted on 3/19/17 at 10:28 pm to bountyhunter
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probably just needs the weekend to think it over
Yup I've been saying this too. This is the biggest decision he will likely make in his football career. It will affect the rest of his business and personal life.
Saints and Pats are both waiting on him. Give the man some time.
Posted on 3/19/17 at 10:30 pm to wildtigercat93
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Pats will rip up cooks contract for an extension soon regardless. Don't see a big difference here either
Will not happen. They get Cooks for two cheap years while Brady is still great (he is 40, BTW) and then let someone else pay him the big bucks while they scoop up a compensatory 3rd for losing a top FA. Book it.
Posted on 3/19/17 at 10:30 pm to bountyhunter
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saying $10-12M a year
Yeah my guess is between $10.5-11.5 mil per.
More than $12 mil per would shock me. Less than $10 mil per would be a pleasant surprise.
Posted on 3/19/17 at 10:33 pm to LSUChamps03
quote:Really? A draft choice does not cost a huge contract. A FA could be had for a huge contract without giving up draft picks. To give the huge contract and a top draft pick is like paying twice for the player.
I'm not sure I understand this logic.
Posted on 3/19/17 at 10:38 pm to NOSHAU
A draft choice also is FAR from a sure thing. We NEED a sure thing now.
A draft pick may not start over the guys we have, if ever. Butler starts immediately and is our best corner.
Do we want to trust what may be Brees' last year here to a rookie CB.
Putting all of our hopes and dreams on that is like betting your mortgage on black. Maybe you win big or maybe you're homeless.
As for other FAs, they have to want to come here. We can't force them. And I'd not trust Brees' potential last year to a one year wonder like Claiborne, and the other guys were won in big bidding wars which people complain about when the Saints overpay.
A draft pick may not start over the guys we have, if ever. Butler starts immediately and is our best corner.
Do we want to trust what may be Brees' last year here to a rookie CB.
Putting all of our hopes and dreams on that is like betting your mortgage on black. Maybe you win big or maybe you're homeless.
As for other FAs, they have to want to come here. We can't force them. And I'd not trust Brees' potential last year to a one year wonder like Claiborne, and the other guys were won in big bidding wars which people complain about when the Saints overpay.
This post was edited on 3/19/17 at 10:40 pm
Posted on 3/19/17 at 10:42 pm to dcw7g
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Will not happen. They get Cooks for two cheap years while Brady is still great (he is 40, BTW) and then let someone else pay him the big bucks while they scoop up a compensatory 3rd for losing a top FA. Book it.
They wouldn't have traded a first round pick for him if this was the plan. That's just not the way the organization operates.
Posted on 3/19/17 at 10:53 pm to wildtigercat93
No need to extend him this year though. They have the fifth year option and can work out a long term deal next year after actually seeing how he fits in this year.
If he works out great he'll get a big pay day (most likely scenario). If he doesn't fit (unlikely scenario) they consider it a sunk cost and move on.
No reason to double down on a mistake. But like I said that scenario is unlikely.
If he works out great he'll get a big pay day (most likely scenario). If he doesn't fit (unlikely scenario) they consider it a sunk cost and move on.
No reason to double down on a mistake. But like I said that scenario is unlikely.
Posted on 3/19/17 at 10:54 pm to bonethug0108
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Yeah my guess is between $10.5-11.5 mil per.
More than $12 mil per would shock me. Less than $10 mil per would be a pleasant surprise.
He's going to leverage the frick out of Gilmore and Bouye's deals. Which is scary for us
Posted on 3/19/17 at 10:55 pm to wildtigercat93
quote:You have it backwards, no?
Basically Butler and a 4th for Cooks and a 3rd
We gave Cooks and a 4th for Butler and a 3rd.
Posted on 3/19/17 at 11:03 pm to GynoSandberg
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He's going to leverage the frick out of Gilmore and Bouye's deals. Which is scary for us
Only to a point. We can just let him be in NE and he plays for about $4 mil this year and then could get tagged.
That isn't a pretty outlook for a guy looking for his payday before he hits 30. He'd then be 29 looking for a big contract, and with Gilmore in NE his value may likely decrease.
There are reasons he won't make as much as those guys. And he won't.
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