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re: Reliable twitter source OAM new info on Butler
Posted on 3/19/17 at 11:11 pm to Meateye
Posted on 3/19/17 at 11:11 pm to Meateye
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Trade will be the #42 and next year's 4th.
Contract for Butler 5 years 60 mil.
I would consider that a pretty good deal.
I think most "fair minded" fans can see where the 32 pick was something we thought the pats would want back so if we can keep that and only give up a 2nd rounder that is a great win for us. I don't like giving up future picks but if need be to get the trade done he is worth it.
people keep forgetting we are the buyers here so the pats don't have to let him go unless we make a great offer to them.
what a players value is thought to be by fans and what his real cost value is to a team in a trade is often somewhat far apart from each other
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Posted on 3/19/17 at 11:14 pm to keakar
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people keep forgetting we are the buyers here so the pats don't have to let him go unless we make a great offer to them.
Posted on 3/19/17 at 11:20 pm to bonethug0108
Gilmore is getting stupid money, he won't get that
I suspect he can get a similar deal to bouye on a per year basis. When it's all said and done he'll prob be our 2nd highest paid player after Brees.
I suspect he can get a similar deal to bouye on a per year basis. When it's all said and done he'll prob be our 2nd highest paid player after Brees.
Posted on 3/19/17 at 11:24 pm to keakar
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what a players value is thought to be by fans and what his real cost value is to a team in a trade is often somewhat far apart from each other
you might be on to something here
Posted on 3/19/17 at 11:25 pm to GynoSandberg
Bouye got more than Gilmore per year ($13.5 mil to Gilmore's $13 mil).
Butler is going to top out around $12 mil, but likely a little less.
Butler is going to top out around $12 mil, but likely a little less.
Posted on 3/19/17 at 11:28 pm to bonethug0108
Don't like giving up the extra 4th as stated. Payton needs to stand pat at our 42.
Posted on 3/19/17 at 11:28 pm to bonethug0108
we could always pay for real cheap for a young corner who plays half the year.
draft pick or FA pickup.
you know, not change.
draft pick or FA pickup.
you know, not change.
Posted on 3/19/17 at 11:30 pm to moock blackjack
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Don't like giving up the extra 4th as stated. Payton needs to stand pat at our 42.
If the options are:
32
42 and a 4th
Which are you picking?
Posted on 3/19/17 at 11:38 pm to L.A.
Yeah, just switched it on accident
Posted on 3/19/17 at 11:53 pm to bonethug0108
I was talking about Gilmore's guaranteed money @ $40 mil
Bouye is getting a little more per year but "only" guaranteed $26 mil, which is prob butler territory within a few mil. Either way he will be getting paid top tier CB money and will be our highest paid defender more than likely
Bouye is getting a little more per year but "only" guaranteed $26 mil, which is prob butler territory within a few mil. Either way he will be getting paid top tier CB money and will be our highest paid defender more than likely
Posted on 3/19/17 at 11:55 pm to GynoSandberg
How likely is it that he comes here.
Reports now make it seem like there's a good chance he stays in NE
Reports now make it seem like there's a good chance he stays in NE
Posted on 3/20/17 at 12:32 am to GynoSandberg
Gilmore only has $31 mil fully guaranteed. You are correct in that Bouye only has $26 mil fully guaranteed.
The rest of their guarantees are injury only at the moment.
Gilmore does have better long term security, receiving $18 mil in signing bonus compared to Bouye's $10 mil.
Edit:
Just for reference this is what that means in terms of security.
Gilmore cut in the 3rd year has $10.8 mil dead money, $7.2 mil in the 4th, and $3.6 mil in the last year.
Bouye cut in the 3rd year has $6 mil dead money, $4 mil in the 4th, and $2 mil in the last year.
Realistically Bouye's deal is a 2 year deal that the Jags can cut bait with if he doesn't live up to his potential. It's a very team friendly deal.
Gilmore on the other hand isn't really cuttable until the 4th year, and then likely only as a June 1st cut. This is a deal that heavily favors the player.
I'm actually surprised the Pats signed this kind of deal, but Gilmore does have more skins while Bouye has one year as a starter.
The rest of their guarantees are injury only at the moment.
Gilmore does have better long term security, receiving $18 mil in signing bonus compared to Bouye's $10 mil.
Edit:
Just for reference this is what that means in terms of security.
Gilmore cut in the 3rd year has $10.8 mil dead money, $7.2 mil in the 4th, and $3.6 mil in the last year.
Bouye cut in the 3rd year has $6 mil dead money, $4 mil in the 4th, and $2 mil in the last year.
Realistically Bouye's deal is a 2 year deal that the Jags can cut bait with if he doesn't live up to his potential. It's a very team friendly deal.
Gilmore on the other hand isn't really cuttable until the 4th year, and then likely only as a June 1st cut. This is a deal that heavily favors the player.
I'm actually surprised the Pats signed this kind of deal, but Gilmore does have more skins while Bouye has one year as a starter.
This post was edited on 3/20/17 at 12:47 am
Posted on 3/20/17 at 12:39 am to bonethug0108
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If the options are:
32
42 and a 4th
Which are you picking?
Exactly. If we keep #32, we have our pick of likely any 2nd tier defensive player that we want. Remember the draft last year...all our defensive targets got taken in the early 2nd right before our pick(Michael Thomas was our pick...so I'm not complaining).
Assuming we go DE at #11...we can take the top 2nd tier LB or Safety on our board. CSP could also take an offensive player that falls to us if he has a mancrush on him.
I'd rather give up #42 & a 2018 4th. It's really not even close for me.
On a side note...why haven't we signed Sterling Moore yet? Seems like a no brainer to me.
This post was edited on 3/20/17 at 1:41 am
Posted on 3/20/17 at 12:47 am to GMoney2600
Trading away early picks plus paying out the wazoo for a cb that won't be able to guard the top wr for any team in our division. Loomis is not smart. Sign a safety or LB or DE with that money and draft a CB.
Posted on 3/20/17 at 12:54 am to tenderfoot tigah
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won't be able to guard the top wr for any team in our division.
Not this shite again.
Posted on 3/20/17 at 12:57 am to tenderfoot tigah
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draft a CB.
Not this shite again.
I already explained why this is a horrible idea for our team. We NEED someone proven in what may be Brees' last year.
A rookie is like betting your house on black. You could win big or you could be homeless. Do we want to take that gamble in Brees' potential final year?
I sure in the frick don't.
Posted on 3/20/17 at 1:03 am to tenderfoot tigah
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Sign a safety or LB or DE with that money
We're past that point. There is nobody left in free agency. There are better options in the draft at the DE, LB, & Safety positions than there are in free agency at this point(TJ McDonald is still available, but he's more of an in the box Safety... ILB Zach Brown is actually still available. I guess he could be an option). Butler is a better option than any CB in the draft...especially for this year.
Unless you think Butler is going to be a bust for us...I really don't see how anyone can have a problem with us trading for him. It's the best possible option we have at this point imo. Do you really trust a rookie CB to perform at a high level for us next year? He would have to be completely ready by week 1. CB is also one of the hardest(if not the hardest) positions to evaluate. Would anyone be surprised if Lattimore(the #1 CB in the draft) ended up being a bust?
This post was edited on 3/20/17 at 9:10 am
Posted on 3/20/17 at 2:44 am to Fun Bunch
I'm just curious as to why the Pats went out and got the top corner in free agency and would be willing to let their top cover go. They both will be paid about the same. Something tells me Belicheck doesn't like something about Butler.
Posted on 3/20/17 at 6:40 am to uptowntiger84
90% of the time the PATS are right. Tires are starting to deflate (no pun intended), injury, loosing a step? They are the best at letting players go at the right time. And not over paying, Belechek more than likely giving us the ugly girl without the make-up.
But that could still be our best course of action to begin to stabilize our DBs.
But that could still be our best course of action to begin to stabilize our DBs.
This post was edited on 3/20/17 at 6:42 am
Posted on 3/20/17 at 6:46 am to dcw7g
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Still don't like this deal, if only because it shows how stupid the Saints are as compared to the Pats. Belichick turns an undrafted free agent into a 1st round pick, and trades him just before he has to overpay him. The Saints turn a player that cost a 1st and 3rd into a worse 1st round pick, and trade him while he's still got 2 cheap years left, just so we can give the pick back and pay an assload to some other guy. Don't be someone else's sucker, even if you think it helps you. It never does.
Up vote.
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