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re: Two things must happen this summer for us to be a good team
Posted on 2/24/17 at 10:11 am to TigerinATL
Posted on 2/24/17 at 10:11 am to TigerinATL
quote:agreed completely, but i don't think Cal would ever leave UK
Yeah, I'm actually interested in seeing what kind of high low, big to big action Gentry can set up. If what MM said about the limits on the last coaching search are still in place, I don't see how there's any harm in giving Demps/Gentry one more year. If it works great, if it doesn't fire them both and bring in Cal or JVG. My preference is JVG but that'd have to get the thumbs up from AD/DC who I'm sure Cal would be lobbying hard.
Posted on 2/24/17 at 10:12 am to TigerinATL
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Yeah, I'm actually interested in seeing what kind of high low, big to big action Gentry can set up. If what MM said about the limits on the last coaching search are still in place, I don't see how there's any harm in giving Demps/Gentry one more year. If it works great, if it doesn't fire them both and bring in Cal or JVG. My preference is JVG but that'd have to get the thumbs up from AD/DC who I'm sure Cal would be lobbying hard.
I'm not totally against it if step 2 in my main post is handily addressed and they had multiple shooters and useful players.
But I'm pretty sure its just wasting time.
Posted on 2/24/17 at 10:18 am to Machine
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this is the most talent he's had on a team. Darren Erman is one of the best defensive minds in the game.
Our D has been pretty good this year.
We'll see what we do the rest of the season. But Gentry's results speak for themselves. His sample size is enough as a HC and an assistant coach.
Posted on 2/24/17 at 10:27 am to Fun Bunch
quote:who would you rather (realistically/available) have coaching boogie? can you name a player that has anything bad to say about Gentry? if we pull in a couple of perimeter guys this off-season, this team will thrive under Alvin
We'll see what we do the rest of the season. But Gentry's results speak for themselves. His sample size is enough as a HC and an assistant coach.
Posted on 2/24/17 at 10:28 am to Machine
quote:The "experts" talk about his basketball mind. He is known to be a good offensive mind. He is a terrible head coach. His clear role is that of an assistant. At 62, he is not likely to change his ways.
i'm not an irrational new orleans homer, for starters. i listen to the experts who analyze basketball for a living and say he's one of the best offensive minds in the game over emotional homers. if you gave up on him during the injury-plagued season, then your'e dumb f'er. dudes a good coach that's been dealing with an incompetent front office since he got here (which lucked into the worst (best) trade in the history of the league and bought himself who knows how much longer.
Posted on 2/24/17 at 10:31 am to NOSHAU
quote:what ways need to change? are you under the impression his style of coaching has always been that which he helped implement at Golden State?
At 62, he is not likely to change his ways.
Posted on 2/24/17 at 10:33 am to NOSHAU
Al was a step back from Monty and Monty never got another look as an HC.
You are right. He is 62. If he hasn't done it by now, he probably won't do it. The warriors didn't blink when he left and Kerr was out for half a season. He gets too much credit for that, imo.
You are right. He is 62. If he hasn't done it by now, he probably won't do it. The warriors didn't blink when he left and Kerr was out for half a season. He gets too much credit for that, imo.
Posted on 2/24/17 at 10:34 am to Machine
quote:Winning games as a HC would be a nice change.
what ways need to change?
Posted on 2/24/17 at 10:35 am to Machine
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can you name a player that has anything bad to say about Gentry?
That's because he is a "players coach" and he is super nice to them.
That doesn't change the fact that his teams just don't win.
Posted on 2/24/17 at 10:41 am to Fun Bunch
quote:other than that time he slowed down the pace and three's and took an underachieving Phoenix team to the WCF. He'll have never had a better roster if (big if) the front office makes the right moves this offseason. as mentioned, firing him would also most likely start boogie off not trusting the organization or thinking its the kings all over again.
That doesn't change the fact that his teams just don't win.
I don't think we ever should have fired Monty, but we did, and Alvin's Pel teams have been injury plagued and talent starved. that looks to be changing.
Posted on 2/24/17 at 10:46 am to Machine
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other than that time he slowed down the pace and three's and took an underachieving Phoenix team to the WCF.
One year out of 12.
Would you give a football coach at LSU 1 winning season in 12 years? If Sean Payton misses the playoffs 8 of the next 9 years, he should keep his job?
You think Johnny Jones should keep getting retained if he had TWELVE years as a HC and only had 1 winning season.
Think about this man.
4-5 years as a HC with bad franchises is one thing. 12 seasons is an entirely different thing.
Posted on 2/24/17 at 10:55 am to TigerinATL
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Also, what is the right coach? Someone threw out Lionel Hollins to bring in Grit and Grind, but Kevin McHale said he didn't think Twin Towers would work in today's NBA. The current/"new" defense rules that allow zone are a large part of what's killed post play and the traditional center's value. So maybe McHale is right. That doesn't mean AD and Boogie can't work, both definitely fit in the modern NBA, but maybe slowing it down for alternating post ups isn't the direction to go.
ding ding ding
if we're using Grit and Grind as an example for what to do on offense, that person has no clue what they are talking about. their offenses were putrid. their defenses were top notch and won them games. Boogie/Davis arent good enough there (yet...maybe ever) to do that.
dumping the ball into the post is not zigging while others are zagging....it's pointing to an outdated and losing strategy b/c people "grew up with it" or "Shaq did it" or whatever nostalgic, unthoughtful way they want to put it.
the reason entire reason Davis/Cousins can work is because they can play outside the paint. they have to in the modern NBA
there's a way to get Cousins and Davis the ball in good spots for them on the block. that way is not dribble up and post. they did some of that last night. they failed at times.
highly recommend checking out Rob Mahoney's (SI basketball writer) pod "Breakaway." last feature was on D'Antoni and his system, but more his philosophy on offense than anything else.
This post was edited on 2/24/17 at 10:56 am
Posted on 2/24/17 at 10:55 am to Fun Bunch
quote:has Coach O ever had a winning season in a full season?
Would you give a football coach at LSU 1 winning season in 12 years?
Posted on 2/24/17 at 10:56 am to Machine
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what ways need to change? are you under the impression his style of coaching has always been that which he helped implement at Golden State?
He wasn't the head coach at Golden State.
Posted on 2/24/17 at 10:57 am to Fun Bunch
quote:he's coached 5 full seasons
One year out of 12.
Posted on 2/24/17 at 10:58 am to Jester
quote:no shite?
He wasn't the head coach at Golden State.
Posted on 2/24/17 at 10:59 am to Machine
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has Coach O ever had a winning season in a full season?
He shouldn't be the HC either. I was against that hire.
But he has had a much smaller sample size than Alvin Gentry. Much, much smaller, and has actually had some small modicum of success as an interim HC.
Posted on 2/24/17 at 10:59 am to Fun Bunch
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Convert useless money into useful money. This is the big challenge. Asik, Ajinca, QPon are 20 million dollars of complete deadweight
It's going to impossible to offload all 3. You can get rid of 1 if you attach it to a trade with our 2018 pick for a shooter. I don't know how you're going to offload the other 2 though. I just don't see it.
Regardless you'll free up enough cap space with a move like that to get another shooter in addition to the one you're trading for, preferably one that can play defense.
That's pretty much the best we can expect for this offseason.
This post was edited on 2/24/17 at 11:02 am
Posted on 2/24/17 at 10:59 am to Machine
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no shite?
Then stop using it as evidence of him being a competent head coach.
Posted on 2/24/17 at 10:59 am to Machine
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he's coached 5 full seasons
He's been fired in the middle of a few so...
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