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why can't American car companies compete on reliability

Posted on 2/16/17 at 2:26 pm
Posted by Honky Lips
Member since Dec 2015
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Posted on 2/16/17 at 2:26 pm
simple question. with all the resources in the greatest nation on earth, why can't we compete with other major car producing nations in terms of reliability (excluding the british)? i mean, cant our car manufacturers not afford to pay for the best engineers on the planet?

The 8 most reliable car brands according to Consumer Reports

The only American car company is Buick, and Buick is basically engineered by Opel.

quote:

8. Infiniti
7. Hyundai
6. Mazda
5. Kia
4. Audi
3. Buick
2. Toyota
1. Lexus


and dont come off with "this list is crap cuz Lexus and Infiniti sucks lolz." this is the 2016 rankings not 1994.
This post was edited on 2/16/17 at 8:36 pm
Posted by LNCHBOX
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Posted on 2/16/17 at 2:26 pm to
Unions.

ETA: They also sell a lot more vehicles here than they do oversees, so they're bound to have more instances of vehicles breaking down. Ford's European vehicles are pretty well regarded.
This post was edited on 2/16/17 at 2:28 pm
Posted by Tigerlaff
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Posted on 2/16/17 at 2:27 pm to
Unions

Eta: shite
This post was edited on 2/16/17 at 2:28 pm
Posted by LSUBoo
Knoxville, TN
Member since Mar 2006
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Posted on 2/16/17 at 2:28 pm to
Maybe enough of the American public is brainwashed into 'buy American' that they don't have to be as reliable?


Maybe not. Just a theory.
Posted by bnb9433
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Posted on 2/16/17 at 2:28 pm to
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This post was edited on 2/16/17 at 2:29 pm
Posted by RedPop4
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Member since Jan 2005
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Posted on 2/16/17 at 2:28 pm to
Aren't Toyota and Lexus the same damn thing?

If Buick makes the list, why not Chevrolet? Again, same company.
Posted by Teufelhunden
Galvez, LA
Member since Feb 2005
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Posted on 2/16/17 at 2:31 pm to
quote:

why can't American car companies compete on reliability


But what about those chevy commercials that say chevy is number 1 in JD Power (whoever the frick he is) reliability for like, a million years in a row. Apparently ole JD and Consumer Reports are using different standards.
Posted by Muice
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Posted on 2/16/17 at 2:32 pm to



Inb4 they manufacture some cars that were on that list.
Posted by Chad504boy
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Posted on 2/16/17 at 2:32 pm to
Audi being that hi surprised me. buicks are ugly as shite.
Posted by NYCAuburn
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Posted on 2/16/17 at 2:32 pm to
quote:

based on information gathered from the publication's subscribers who have "owned or leased over half a million vehicles, from model years 2000 to 2016, with a smattering of 2017s, covering more than 300 models."

In total, 29 brands were ranked in the survey. Consumer Reports categorized the top eight brands as "more reliable" while brands ranked nine through 18 were classified as "reliable." The 11 brands at the bottom of the rankings were categorized as "less reliable."


Sounds like an unquestionable study to me...
Posted by kingbob
Sorrento, LA
Member since Nov 2010
67214 posts
Posted on 2/16/17 at 2:34 pm to
It's management culture. What is considered an "acceptable defect" is very different in the company cultures of some of the more popular import brands than the American brands. They simply refuse to tolerate defects to the same extent we do.
Posted by stlslick
St.Louis,Mo
Member since Nov 2012
14081 posts
Posted on 2/16/17 at 2:36 pm to
how many of those car companies are being investigated or facing huge fines for fraud to Americans?

Or have in past few years?

And Consumer Reports is hardly an unbiased opinion.


Have bought Jeep/Dodge products for 20 years, not one single issue with any of them.
Posted by kywildcatfanone
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Member since Oct 2012
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Posted on 2/16/17 at 2:36 pm to
Union labor.
Posted by The Torch
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Posted on 2/16/17 at 2:39 pm to
Follow The Money
Posted by SkintBack
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Posted on 2/16/17 at 2:39 pm to
Not many people are going to abuse a Lexus like they will a Silverado. You can say that for most of this list. Not many work vehicles in there. Or what about pulling trailers, doing work, gravel and mud roads, straining the engine pulling loads up hills. It's not apples to apples. Ford sells a million trucks, 200,000 get abused to shite. Not that way with Lexus, Buick, Audi, whoever....
This post was edited on 2/16/17 at 2:40 pm
Posted by CaptainBrannigan
Good Ole Rocky Top Tennessee
Member since Jan 2010
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Posted on 2/16/17 at 2:40 pm to
Piss poor management and Japan has a different business midweek than being beholden to shareholders. But simpleton will blame the unions.
Posted by Kino74
Denham springs
Member since Nov 2013
5346 posts
Posted on 2/16/17 at 2:41 pm to
Something to keep in mind about "reliability' reports is those ratings nowadays include a category such as consumers ability to use feature. Ford had a high reliability one year then the next year when that category was incorporated, dropped big time due to Sync. FYI Ford was tied with Honda and Subaru for long term reliability while trailing Toyota.

One other thing to remember and it's also why a list like the OP has changes often is because it's done by surveys which do have a degree of unreliableness associated with them.
Posted by Napoleon
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Member since Dec 2007
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Posted on 2/16/17 at 2:46 pm to
Audi being that high is suspect.
My mom's A6 had tons if problems. And the top had to be changed out twice in five years.
My uncle's A7 has been in for maintenance a good bit as well.
Posted by ChineseBandit66
Denver, Colorado
Member since Jul 2013
1794 posts
Posted on 2/16/17 at 2:47 pm to
quote:

6. Mazda 5. Kia 4. Audi 3. Buick


biggest bs on the OT all day...this list is nothing without Honda
Posted by biglego
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Member since Nov 2007
76556 posts
Posted on 2/16/17 at 3:46 pm to
Seems like Honda should be on that list
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