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re: Who is the better drummer: Lars Ulrich (Metallica) or Danny Carey (Tool)?
Posted on 10/23/16 at 7:37 pm to mizzoukills
Posted on 10/23/16 at 7:37 pm to mizzoukills
I like both. Been a Metallica fan forever but Lars is a mediocre drummer at best. Like others have said, he drops the ball live at times.
Lars would explode trying to play this...
Ticks and Leeches
Lars would explode trying to play this...
Ticks and Leeches
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Posted on 10/23/16 at 8:48 pm to rompus
Danny is like a 1-man band with the amount of texture and crazy depth he gives to Tool.
Posted on 10/23/16 at 9:02 pm to mizzoukills
Danny. Now can we change people?
Posted on 10/24/16 at 8:53 am to KG6
Lars is incredibly overrated and I'm a huge Metallica fan. The tool drummer is on another level compared to Lars. Metallica is who they are because of James and Kirk. You could insert another drummer in there and not really notice I believe. Not saying Lars is bad, but from a creativity standpoint, he's just kind of meh and doesn't really put his stamp on their music like the tool drummer does.
Posted on 10/24/16 at 9:12 am to mizzoukills
I would love to see what would happen to Lars if you took away his hi-hat for just one song. 
Posted on 10/24/16 at 9:29 am to jdaute2
I dont know man I heard a video of Dave Lombardo playing with them in like 2004 i think. They sounded super tight, noticably better
Posted on 10/24/16 at 11:35 am to mizzoukills
Danny Carey is better to me. I love both bands and Lars Ulrich is a great drummer and has that attitude and snarl you don't see in many bands today, but a lot of his drumming is just about being fast and intense. Danny Carey, I feel, is more technical and precise. Tool's changing time signatures, varying tempo, and drastic change in dynamics, oftentimes within a single song, really takes some serious chops to pull off.
Posted on 10/24/16 at 12:33 pm to mizzoukills
Danny Carey
He does things that boggle my mind. Much more than just a metal drummer
He does things that boggle my mind. Much more than just a metal drummer
Posted on 10/24/16 at 4:47 pm to jdaute2
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Lars is incredibly overrated and I'm a huge Metallica fan.
I'm always hard on Lars, and have been in this thread - so I'll give credit where credit is due. Lars delivers in the studio when he has to. If he has a signature sound, it is his use of bronze, which is pretty good, although he does not stray too far afield. His double bass is also pretty good.
It is his snare and tom work, as well as his ability to keep time, that hold him back, IMHO. He's not a highly technically skilled drummer, with complex polyrhythms in his repertoire, but a lot of drummers are in this same category. If that was the only knock against him, it wouldn't be too bad. Keith Moon wasn't a great timekeeper and wasn't particularly crisp, generally, but he was highly innovative and unique - that worked for The Who. FWIW, Lars must be deemed as "the right" guy for Metallica, although he is clearly the weakest player and has been throughout the existence of the band.
This post was edited on 10/24/16 at 4:49 pm
Posted on 10/25/16 at 6:24 am to Ace Midnight
Danny Carey can play odd time signatures with ease, Lars...not so much.
Posted on 10/25/16 at 11:12 am to Big Chipper
Danny Carey by a looooooooonnnnggggg shot. I swear that dude has independent brains in each of his arms and legs. He can play different time signatures, not just within the same song, but within the same beat. Top 5 drummer of ALL time, and that's including the crazy jazz/fusion type drummers.
One of the places Danny Carey excels, isn't just in his technicality, but the musical-ness (is that a word?) of his playing. It actually reminds me of the way David Gilmour plays guitar solos with the dynamics and perfect crescendoing. There are drummers that can pull off fast technical shite in a drum solo, but he makes that kind of stuff work within songs. Hell his drum solos themselves are musical as hell.....he isn't just banging around trying to hot dog.
My top 5 drummers on just skill alone would have to include (in no particular order):
Danny Carey
Bill Bruford
Buddy Rich
Billy Cobham
Jon Theodore
If I made a list of best rock drummer it would obviously look differently, but just on chops alone these 5 are tops for me.
One of the places Danny Carey excels, isn't just in his technicality, but the musical-ness (is that a word?) of his playing. It actually reminds me of the way David Gilmour plays guitar solos with the dynamics and perfect crescendoing. There are drummers that can pull off fast technical shite in a drum solo, but he makes that kind of stuff work within songs. Hell his drum solos themselves are musical as hell.....he isn't just banging around trying to hot dog.
My top 5 drummers on just skill alone would have to include (in no particular order):
Danny Carey
Bill Bruford
Buddy Rich
Billy Cobham
Jon Theodore
If I made a list of best rock drummer it would obviously look differently, but just on chops alone these 5 are tops for me.
Posted on 10/26/16 at 8:05 am to DarthSabanFredo
Carey is easily one of, if not the, best rock drummer today. Period. Lars can't touch him...and I like Lars.
Posted on 10/27/16 at 6:28 am to mizzoukills
In Metal, meter is not paramount. It's chops. Lars has chops and they could quanitize him in studio before digital when he got off meter. He was the money kid of Metallica. Very smart business wise also (white privileged?!?)
Danny is a freak studio session type drummer who happens to play in a band called Tool.
Danny is a freak studio session type drummer who happens to play in a band called Tool.
Posted on 10/27/16 at 9:23 am to mizzoukills
How is this even a question? Carey >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Lars
Posted on 10/27/16 at 4:32 pm to mizzoukills
The drum solo Danny played at the Smoothie King in January was something I've been waiting to see since I was in fifth grade. It blew every expectation I had out of the water. I don't know how he makes only drums sound so....musical?
Posted on 10/27/16 at 5:10 pm to Ace Midnight
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Problem with Lars is that he is just far, far too mediocre compared to the band's overall impact. He's not even a mediocre timekeeper - he's just barely competent.
This is a preposterous level of hyperbole. Lars is a great drummer who introduced me to the concept of "sitting behind the beat".
Anyone who has listened to AJFA in any kind of depth has to immediately dismiss your observations. Also, I'm not sure the band has been "held back" at any stage. They are one of the greatest bands of all time and he was an integral part of their success (not just in drumming but in arrangement and persona as well.)
Posted on 10/27/16 at 5:11 pm to Ace Midnight
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Since folks are apparently debating this:
If Lars woke up with 1/16th the amount of talent Danny Carey has, he would die from utter shock
Too bad Tool didn't have the benefit of decent songwriting. Not even in a position to submit a resume for the job of holding Metallica's jock strap.
Posted on 10/27/16 at 5:45 pm to Big Scrub TX
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Too bad Tool didn't have the benefit of decent songwriting.
Well, that's comparing apples to plutonium. Super subjective. Lars Ulrich's lack of virtuosity on the drums isn't really up for discussion - if you want to trot out the argument that Metallica had some great songs on some great albums in the 1980s? Absolutely. I even like Load and Reload (which puts me, somewhat, in the minority).
Call me when Tool puts out some shite like St. Anger, baw.
Posted on 10/27/16 at 6:04 pm to Ace Midnight
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Lars Ulrich's lack of virtuosity on the drums isn't really up for discussion
Sure it is. In fact, he was criticized for being TOO pyrotechnic on AJFA.
I don't even see why this has to be an argument over "virtuosity". I think, e.g., that Vinnie Paul is almost certainly his technical superior. That doesn't mean Lars wasn't perfect for what Metallica were (and would have bee imperfect for what Pantera were.)
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Call me when Tool puts out some shite like St. Anger, baw.
Call me when Tool has as many albums as Metallica. I'm happy to admit the flaws of St. Anger - and the biggest one was the SOUND of the drums. But that is almost entirely irrelevant to your over-the-top putting down of Lars.
Posted on 10/27/16 at 6:10 pm to Big Scrub TX
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That doesn't mean Lars wasn't perfect for what Metallica were (and would have bee imperfect for what Pantera were.)
I said in this thread Lars was right for Metallica. The argument is dumb - Danny Carey is light years ahead in ability. No reasonable person disputes that.
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