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re: "Brandon Harris is Terrible" - I was pissed when I saw the title
Posted on 8/27/16 at 12:33 pm to tzimme4
Posted on 8/27/16 at 12:33 pm to tzimme4
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I'm not asking you to believe me. But I know he's not losing his job either
sunnydaze was at the 2nd to last scrimmage and said that Harris looked fine but they didn't ask him to do very much. My issue isn't with Harris and what he can and can't do. My issue is why the frick is our starting QB only attempting 10-20 passes in a controlled scrimmage? Just more proof that our staff has no interest in trying to get a QB ready to win games.
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Posted on 8/27/16 at 12:37 pm to roygu
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Thirteenth in the league on short and medium range passes. If you keep shooting your self in the foot the defense doesn't quit it wears out.
There were blown coverages all over the place last year because Steele was trying to run a 4000 level Saban defense instead starting off at the 1000 level.
Posted on 8/27/16 at 12:40 pm to Gumbo1
I'd rather the defense be much improved than Harris.
Give me a slightly improved Harris and a scary good defense and we'll be chasing a championship
Give me a slightly improved Harris and a scary good defense and we'll be chasing a championship
Posted on 8/27/16 at 12:50 pm to Gumbo1
LSU’s defense, particularly its pass defense, was a huge problem last year. LSU ranked 27th in defensive S&P+, which is not good enough for a team that considers defense its calling card. LSU needs its defense to be great, and it was merely good, and it was downright terrible in November as it allowed 30, 31, and then 38 points in three consecutive losses
This is the issue. Besides the Alabama game, we weren't playing any defenses that were all that great, in fact, they were very very average, and LSU's offense struggled.
I can't sit here and blame the defense when it has bailed LSU out so many times. There have been a shite ton more offensive goose eggs than defensive goose eggs under Les Miles. The offensive garbage isn't Harris's fault either, its solely on the offensive strategy. Harris's stats are completely dragged down by attempts/opportunities.
LSU pass attempts per game NCAA ranking since 2009
2009-98th
2010-108th
2011-112th
2012-101st
2013-110th
2014-120th
2015-115th
So, even in a year with two All-Pro WR's, LSU was still amongst the bottom quarter of teams in passing attempts per game.
Also, Steele was the DC, and he was replaced immediately after the season (change was made immediately). Our pass defense last year was the worst it had been in about 10 years, but of course, it should be noted that LSU has had some of the best defenses in LSU history within that a ten year span, so its not terrible overall, but its not the level LSU had been accustomed.
This is the issue. Besides the Alabama game, we weren't playing any defenses that were all that great, in fact, they were very very average, and LSU's offense struggled.
I can't sit here and blame the defense when it has bailed LSU out so many times. There have been a shite ton more offensive goose eggs than defensive goose eggs under Les Miles. The offensive garbage isn't Harris's fault either, its solely on the offensive strategy. Harris's stats are completely dragged down by attempts/opportunities.
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The big difference is yards/attempt, in which Harris holds a 7.8 to 6.7 edge. That’s huge. Sure, Dobbs completes more checkdown passes.
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Harris gains more yards, 179.8 yards/game to 176.2 on 68 less pass attempts.
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Yeah, Harris should throw for some more touchdowns.
LSU pass attempts per game NCAA ranking since 2009
2009-98th
2010-108th
2011-112th
2012-101st
2013-110th
2014-120th
2015-115th
So, even in a year with two All-Pro WR's, LSU was still amongst the bottom quarter of teams in passing attempts per game.
Also, Steele was the DC, and he was replaced immediately after the season (change was made immediately). Our pass defense last year was the worst it had been in about 10 years, but of course, it should be noted that LSU has had some of the best defenses in LSU history within that a ten year span, so its not terrible overall, but its not the level LSU had been accustomed.
Posted on 8/27/16 at 12:53 pm to MightyYat
Agreed. The biggest problem that our passing game has is a lack of rhythm. We throw when we have to, and Harris never really gets comfortable when he's attempting mainly high-pressure throws. We'd be well-served to establish the passing game first because we know the running game will be there.
Posted on 8/27/16 at 12:53 pm to CaptainBrannigan
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We told you Grimes is not a good coach. Great resource recruiter, awful teacher and evaluator. Same thing applies to Craig.
Same can be said for Kevin Steele. I give Craig an open slate. Grimes can certainly recruit. OL was fine up until Bama, BH's injury, we starting to run into brick walls and our D came unglued. Grimes unit was a mixed bag of results last year. We will see this year.
Posted on 8/27/16 at 1:38 pm to Canwoodtiger
Our offense last year as I saw it...
Run 7 - a great plan against most teams
Throw deep -all world WR & hold the safeties
Throw on obvious passing downs
Attempt short to intermediate routes -rarely
Throw to the TE - very rarely
Basically, we beat who we could run on, and even struggled in the games for 3 quarters.
The teams we couldn't run on just pinned their ears back and sold out on the run en route to BH. A short to intermediate passing game that incorporates the TE would have helped out our Oline imo. Asking them to be effective under those circumstances is a lot. LF7 is amazing, but even he has limits. In my mind BH is the key. An improved defense and LF7 puts us in the mix. Better play from BH in the short to intermediate passing game OR letting BH actually be a dual threat QB gives us a real chance at some trophies. Just my thoughts.
Run 7 - a great plan against most teams
Throw deep -all world WR & hold the safeties
Throw on obvious passing downs
Attempt short to intermediate routes -rarely
Throw to the TE - very rarely
Basically, we beat who we could run on, and even struggled in the games for 3 quarters.
The teams we couldn't run on just pinned their ears back and sold out on the run en route to BH. A short to intermediate passing game that incorporates the TE would have helped out our Oline imo. Asking them to be effective under those circumstances is a lot. LF7 is amazing, but even he has limits. In my mind BH is the key. An improved defense and LF7 puts us in the mix. Better play from BH in the short to intermediate passing game OR letting BH actually be a dual threat QB gives us a real chance at some trophies. Just my thoughts.
Posted on 8/27/16 at 1:52 pm to roygu
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Thirteenth in the league on short and medium range passes. If you keep shooting your self in the foot the defense doesn't quit it wears out.
This. We had no intermediate passing game last year to speak of. We put ourselves in lots 3rd and longs as a result. Now I don't know how much of that is on Harris vs how much is on the offensive scheming, but it's an issue that has to be resolved if the offense is going to show any meaningful improvement.
Posted on 8/27/16 at 2:22 pm to tiggerthetooth
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Bottom quarter of teams in pass attempts
Bottom quarter??? That's more like the 98th percentile.
Of course we don't need to be top-tier in that stat. 2011 and 2013 prove that efficiency on O is much better.
Posted on 8/27/16 at 2:29 pm to alumni95
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Of course we don't need to be top-tier in that stat. 2011 and 2013 prove that efficiency on O is much better
One of those years is very much unlike the other......
Posted on 8/27/16 at 3:11 pm to Tiger Nation 84
1000 yards sound better..
Posted on 8/27/16 at 3:13 pm to MightyYat
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sunnydaze was at the 2nd to last scrimmage and said that Harris looked fine but they didn't ask him to do very much. My issue isn't with Harris and what he can and can't do. My issue is why the frick is our starting QB only attempting 10-20 passes in a controlled scrimmage? Just more proof that our staff has no interest in trying to get a QB ready to win games.
Wasn't there a story done in the past year about the LSU practices were geared 60% running/ 40% passing?
But people said it was a lie. It would make sense for this to be true when our offense tried to execute just HS level passing trees, but all of the players have that "I just pumped the neighbor's dog look on their face."
Common sense would tell you LSU can obviously line up and run it on most teams, so why not concentrate more efforts on something you aren't good at ? Like throwing crossing routes for example?
Posted on 8/27/16 at 3:15 pm to Canwoodtiger
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Same can be said for Kevin Steele.
None of us wanted Steele. Our HC has no connections in CFB so we got stuck with him. It makes me sick to my stomach thinking about out hick moron AD paying a buyout to hire Steele.
Posted on 8/27/16 at 4:05 pm to CaptainBrannigan
It's his confidence.
1) Since, day one its been him or Jennings. I think he feels rather confident, but once again we have Danny Etling, which is good, on his heels. Competition is good, but hanging that over their head after they have the starting job is difficult.
2) Probably the most important issue is the fact that he has not been allowed to run the read option like Deshaun Watson did at Clemson, not fully. He has always been held back. Most the play calling. Not near enough balance.
Just my humble opinion.
1) Since, day one its been him or Jennings. I think he feels rather confident, but once again we have Danny Etling, which is good, on his heels. Competition is good, but hanging that over their head after they have the starting job is difficult.
2) Probably the most important issue is the fact that he has not been allowed to run the read option like Deshaun Watson did at Clemson, not fully. He has always been held back. Most the play calling. Not near enough balance.
Just my humble opinion.
Posted on 8/27/16 at 4:14 pm to sjmabry
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JD Moore and Gordon going out did our offense in.
Our offense sucked because we lost the first string full back?
That's right up there with "Anthony Johnson isn't dominating because he was getting double teamed."
Whatever excuse helps you avoid reality.
This post was edited on 8/27/16 at 4:15 pm
Posted on 8/27/16 at 4:21 pm to emanresu
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Our offense sucked because we lost the first string full back?
That's right up there with "Anthony Johnson isn't dominating because he was getting double teamed."
Whatever excuse helps you avoid reality.
This post shows how little you paid attention last year. Losing Moore was detrimental to the offense. He never missed his hole and block allowing Fournette to get to the 2nd level. Mouton got better but his first few games were awful.
Posted on 8/27/16 at 4:54 pm to Tiger Vision
We averaged 10 yards on 1st downs against bama (on defense). That had ZERO to do with the offense. Kevin Steele was GARBAGE and got shite on by the 3 best offenses in the west last year.
This post was edited on 8/27/16 at 4:55 pm
Posted on 8/27/16 at 4:54 pm to Jack Daniel
Why don't negatigers geaux suck your mom's tit. You fricks must lead miserable lives. Oh well, better you than me.
Posted on 8/27/16 at 11:58 pm to Chadwick
I'm a negatiger because I know the difference between facts and hopes?
Posted on 8/28/16 at 12:07 am to CaptainBrannigan
Grimes has produced more NFL Draft picks than aNY offensive line coach under Miles... 
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