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re: What Sopranos death bothered you the most?

Posted on 8/24/16 at 11:31 am to
Posted by Peazey
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Posted on 8/24/16 at 11:31 am to
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Was Alia in Lynch's Dune:


Yup. Came across that the last time I was rewatching the series. Looking at her filmography she's been getting pretty steady work in small roles for the last 30 years.
Posted by Ace Midnight
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Posted on 8/24/16 at 11:38 am to
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There's a pregnant woman who is beaten to death and all any of the characters care about is that the Bing was disrespected and ralph, a made man, was hit by Tony. A punch was more important than a woman and unborn child's life.


On the whole, though, Tony did take it somewhat seriously - for his part, civilians didn't usually get hurt by his hand - that's moral equivocation to a degree - but, particularly not something as arbitrary as what Ralph did to Tracee. He would have been appalled at Paulie and Christopher killing the waiter after they stiffed him. "WTF are you mooks going to do next? Whack the meter reader?"

I always felt that Tracee was the reason he began looking for an excuse to whack Ralph and Pie O My was the final straw. He even spoke of Pie O My in metaphorical terms for Tracee, if you recall.
Posted by Peazey
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Posted on 8/24/16 at 11:53 am to
Tony was the position of morality there, but the rest of how the mafioso culture operated was pretty crazy.

I think right after Paulie says something like, "Ralphie was way out of line. He never should have disrespected the Bing like that."

Tony responds, "she was just a young girl." Or something like that.

Then just as an after thought Paulie says, "oh, that too." No thought at all about the murder. Just some superficial breach of manners is all that he thought about.

Then afterwards what the real thing that everyone is upset about is that a made man was hit over some stupid whore, and it's made a big deal that Tony has to apologize to save face. Just crazy.
Posted by NIH
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Posted on 8/24/16 at 12:13 pm to
An underrated storyline that doesn't get mentioned is the Johnny Sack-Ralphie beef.
Posted by DelU249
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Posted on 8/24/16 at 1:01 pm to
tony feels for the defenseless, intense emotions too, but the thing with tracy was he didn't give a frick about her until she was dead and his emotions were fleeting

ralph was a capo, and an even bigger earner than before and he killed him over a horse

ralph was a soldier, a big earner but not as big and he smacked him around over beating a pregnant woman to death

Posted by DelU249
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Posted on 8/24/16 at 1:03 pm to
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would have been appalled at Paulie and Christopher killing the waiter after they stiffed him
moreso for the stupidity of it. eliminate unnecessary risks...I think that the waiter had a cock and that he "disrespected" paulie and Christopher would've made the incident more about his guys being idiots than a civilian getting killed.

Posted by cfish140
BR
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Posted on 8/24/16 at 2:09 pm to
Jackies death didn't piss me off but it was kinda a "oh shite these guys have no limits" moment. Richie aprile was the best. I'd have to say Silvio...he was my favorite. Also it surprised me that Tony wasn't really bothered by killing Christopher. I had expected him to be crying n shite while he strangled him but it was just another kill. That was a bit disturbing
Posted by DelU249
Austria
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Posted on 8/24/16 at 2:14 pm to
Christopher was a weight around his neck. It became obvious he'd lead the family into ruin, but more pressing is he was a real threat to be turned by Feds or state. subconsciously Christopher hated tony and tony knew it...he also had to worry about Christopher killing him.

He was actually really happy after Christopher's death. I don't necessarily blame him.

untrustworthy
insubordinate
dumb
ambitious
ungrateful
huge target for feds (drugs)

all of that, and Christopher had AAAAAAALL of the goods on tony. every murder, racket, everything.
This post was edited on 8/24/16 at 2:18 pm
Posted by Thurber
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Posted on 8/24/16 at 2:36 pm to
Bobby Bacala was the toughest for me
Posted by Ace Midnight
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Member since Dec 2006
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Posted on 8/24/16 at 2:45 pm to
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Bobby Bacala was the toughest for me


Of the gangsters, for me as well. Syl could still come out of it. I liked Christopher, but he had to go.

We didn't really see Tony get it, but that one is also tough.
Posted by chinese58
NELA. after 30 years in Dallas.
Member since Jun 2004
30504 posts
Posted on 8/24/16 at 2:59 pm to
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That whole boat ride was uneasy


Them going into his place and picking him up was as uncomfortable as the boat for me. That whole story line of BP having to rat them out and them having to kill him. It's what they all signed up for. The life they chose.
Posted by RBWilliams8
Member since Oct 2009
53418 posts
Posted on 8/24/16 at 3:18 pm to
Big pussy despite it being obvious and him having it coming.
Posted by Sid in Lakeshore
Member since Oct 2008
41956 posts
Posted on 8/24/16 at 4:04 pm to
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Big Pussy's was definitely the most uncomfortable



This. And Bobby....
Posted by REG861
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Member since Oct 2011
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Posted on 8/24/16 at 4:08 pm to
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We didn't really see Tony get it, but that one is also tough.



I have to say, watching Tony breathlessly shovel through all those plates of food is kind of sad in retrospect knowing how Gandolfini died.
Posted by Ace Midnight
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Member since Dec 2006
89613 posts
Posted on 8/24/16 at 4:19 pm to
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I have to say, watching Tony breathlessly shovel through all those plates of food is kind of sad in retrospect knowing how Gandolfini died.


Meh. If we could ask him, I bet he's the kind of guy who would say, "No regrets."

A life well-lived, right?
Posted by NIH
Member since Aug 2008
112729 posts
Posted on 8/24/16 at 4:22 pm to
Christopher pretty much called Gandolfini's exact age and death during the intervention scene. It's crazy to think he was only 51, he looked absolutely terrible in The Drop.
Posted by AlonsoWDC
Memphis, where it ain't Ten-a-Key
Member since Aug 2014
8777 posts
Posted on 8/24/16 at 4:34 pm to
A lot of good answers and discussion in this thread.

My answer, which one 'bothered' me the most, mirrors Tony's reaction.

Tony's Amour Fou with Gloria Trillo is one of my favorite arcs of the show. I love the scene where Tony is eating breakfast in the kitchen one morning, halfway disinterested in what Carm is talking about (her Mercedes wagon) until she mentions that Gloria drove her home from the dealership after Carm left her car for a service tuneup. Carm is oblivious to Gloria's manipulation into her thoughts, but Tony knows exactly what's happening and hides his disgust from Carm and storms off.

A few weeks after he ends contact with her (through Patsy's intimidation tactic in a GREAT episode closing scene), he and Carm are laying in bed one night when she tells him that she heard the oddest thing at Mercedes. Another worker there told Carm that Gloria had killed herself. At this point Tony is rolled over in bed away from Carm, face towards us, and his utter shock and disbelief and horror is evident and Carm brushes his silence off as "Mister Empathy over here." [Tony mouth agape, eyes open] "She hung herself. From a chandelier."

It's an off-screen death but it's brutal to hear about someone else's death, particularly a suicide, especially when you consider the crazy fling Tony and Gloria had and how awful they were for each other.
This post was edited on 8/24/16 at 4:37 pm
Posted by craigbiggio
Member since Dec 2009
31805 posts
Posted on 8/24/16 at 4:38 pm to
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through Patsy's intimidation tactic in a GREAT episode closing scene


One of my favorite scenes. Patsy was always great

"They'll be scraping your nipples off these fine leather seats. My face will be the last one you'll see. It won't be cinematic."
Posted by AlonsoWDC
Memphis, where it ain't Ten-a-Key
Member since Aug 2014
8777 posts
Posted on 8/24/16 at 4:44 pm to
I wish they did more with Patsy. He didn't have much of an arc after he got over his brother's death once he pissed in Tony's pool.

He had some great lines. The Vito a fig! scene is tremendous in its own right, but Patsy's laugh with Chris at the end seals it.

He went out looking like the man in charge of the crew if Tony died - holding his own against the gunmen that nearly killed Sil at that - and even if Tony didn't die, Meadow was marrying his son so he was on the promotion.
Posted by shinerfan
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Member since Sep 2009
22452 posts
Posted on 8/24/16 at 6:46 pm to
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Also Uncle Ju went from reasonable to end stage dementia really fast



Uncle Junior's final appearance intimated pretty strongly that he was still fully aware.
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