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re: Normandy Church Terror: ISIS Slits Throat of Preist and Takes Nuns Hostage

Posted on 7/26/16 at 12:23 pm to
Posted by Pettifogger
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Posted on 7/26/16 at 12:23 pm to
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Again, if you (or anyone) can come up with another viable solution to stop it, I'm all ears.



To stop what? The isolated terror attack?

Give me the trade off you're actually proposing. If it is curbing immigration from hot spots, ok.

If it is mass deportation or imprisonment or killing of all Muslims in exchange for hopefully not having another Orlando, I'll pass.

We could all turn in our guns and we'd see a reduction in gun crime. But, I value the liberty that accompanies the second amendment more than I do some illusory improvement in security.
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
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Posted on 7/26/16 at 12:23 pm to
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The kingdom is in bed with the wahhabism movement and until they are put to task of addressing this, nothing will change. When the saudis start allowing free thought instead of a fundamental doctrine, nothing changes. And remember, these are our allies.


Correct. This is the head of the snake.
Posted by lsu2006
BR
Member since Feb 2004
39983 posts
Posted on 7/26/16 at 12:25 pm to
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To stop what? The isolated terror attack?

Give me the trade off you're actually proposing. If it is curbing immigration from hot spots, ok.

If it is mass deportation or imprisonment or killing of all Muslims in exchange for hopefully not having another Orlando, I'll pass.

We could all turn in our guns and we'd see a reduction in gun crime. But, I value the liberty that accompanies the second amendment more than I do some illusory improvement in security.

Agreed all around.
Posted by Pettifogger
Capitol Hill Autonomous Zone
Member since Feb 2012
79322 posts
Posted on 7/26/16 at 12:25 pm to
Sadly, Saudi-funded madrassas aren't driving the radicalization anymore.

Growing up in a Belgian Muslim-enclave shithole with a connection to YouTube is sufficient, now.
Posted by say when
Member since Mar 2015
1613 posts
Posted on 7/26/16 at 12:28 pm to
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kinda hard to carpet bomb an ideology Quote from a WWII veteran "The hell you can't. Because we did it. These Muslims are no different than the [Imperial] Japanese. The Japs had their suicide bombers too. And we stopped them. What it takes is the resolve and will to use a level of brutality and violence that your generations can't stomach. And until you can, this shite won't stop. It took us on the beaches with bullets, clearing out caves with flame throwers, and men like LeMay burning down their cities killing people by the tens of thousands. And then it took 2 atom bombs on top of it. But if that was what it took to win we were willing to do it. Until you are willing to do the same...well I hope you enjoy this shite, because it ain't going to stop."


Thank you sir.
I salute you!
Posted by Cdawg
TigerFred's Living Room
Member since Sep 2003
59605 posts
Posted on 7/26/16 at 12:28 pm to
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Again, if you (or anyone) can come up with another viable solution to stop it, I'm all ears.

so you have my posts set to ignore or something?

Or are you just saying it's not viable, only carpet bombing or deporting every fricking muslim back to the one country where they teach the radical thoughts.
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
261521 posts
Posted on 7/26/16 at 12:28 pm to
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Growing up in a Belgian Muslim-enclave shithole with a connection to YouTube is sufficient, now.


True, much of this "terror" is individuals who have been radicalized by some shitty life and a cheap phone. However, the money to spread propaganda is plentiful. The most highly paid people in the IS movement are the media. However they recently cut their fighers pay in half which suggests the flow of money may be dying.
Posted by The Pirate King
Pangu
Member since May 2014
57768 posts
Posted on 7/26/16 at 12:28 pm to
I would deport any family members or anyone who has had extended contact with anyone on the terrorist watch list if it would save 1 American life.

There is absolutely 100% no reason to risk American lives to offer citizenship to refugees who we can't afford to take in in the first place.

The fact that I have to convince dems of saving American lives is bad enough.
Posted by List Eater
Htown
Member since Apr 2005
23581 posts
Posted on 7/26/16 at 12:28 pm to
It's global warming that's pissing off the terrorists. Bernie told me himself!
Posted by say when
Member since Mar 2015
1613 posts
Posted on 7/26/16 at 12:30 pm to
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kinda hard to carpet bomb an ideology


Pussy
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
261521 posts
Posted on 7/26/16 at 12:31 pm to
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I would deport any family members or anyone who has had extended contact with anyone on the terrorist watch list if it would save 1 American life.


If we could only save one child... Remember hearing that from the gun debates?

“Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety”
Posted by lsu2006
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Member since Feb 2004
39983 posts
Posted on 7/26/16 at 12:31 pm to
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I would deport any family members or anyone who has had extended contact with anyone on the terrorist watch list if it would save 1 American life.


OK, that's different than advocating wholesale deportation of anyone deemed "Muslim".
Posted by Hog on the Hill
AR
Member since Jun 2009
13389 posts
Posted on 7/26/16 at 12:34 pm to
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True, much of this "terror" is individuals who have been radicalized by some shitty life and a cheap phone. However, the money to spread propaganda is plentiful. The most highly paid people in the IS movement are the media. However they recently cut their fighers pay in half which suggests the flow of money may be dying.
They're also conscripting people living under their rule, and they routinely execute fighters who refuse to advance when ordered, or retreat without orders. Anecdotal reports from Iraq suggest that a large proportion of the ISIS fighters they face on some fronts in Iraq are conscripted soldiers with poor morale, training, and resolve. This could be one reason why ISIS is crumbling in Iraq.
Posted by Darth_Vader
A galaxy far, far away
Member since Dec 2011
64768 posts
Posted on 7/26/16 at 12:34 pm to
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To stop what? The isolated terror attack?


"Isolated" terrorist attacks? Have you been living in a cave the past couple months?

Today

Yesterday

Day before yesterday

one week ago

Two weeks ago

And I could go on and on but you should get the picture by now. Europe has opened the floodgates to Muslims for the past several decades and now those Muslims are slaughtering Europeans right and left. What Europe is seeing right now is a preview of what we'll be seeing here soon thanks to the flood of "refugees" we're brining in right now.

quote:

Give me the trade off you're actually proposing. If it is curbing immigration from hot spots, ok. If it is mass deportation or imprisonment or killing of all Muslims in exchange for hopefully not having another Orlando, I'll pass.


Then as I said before, you're going to have to accept that the slaughter of ever growing numbers of our fellow Americans in the name of Islam will be a normal part of our daily lives.

Posted by Hog on the Hill
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Member since Jun 2009
13389 posts
Posted on 7/26/16 at 12:35 pm to
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I would deport any family members or anyone who has had extended contact with anyone on the terrorist watch list if it would save 1 American life.

There is absolutely 100% no reason to risk American lives to offer citizenship to refugees who we can't afford to take in in the first place.

The fact that I have to convince dems of saving American lives is bad enough.
You say "refugees", but what about American Muslims who were born and raised in the United States, like the Orlando shooter?

He definitely should not have been able to buy a gun, IMO.
This post was edited on 7/26/16 at 12:36 pm
Posted by Cdawg
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Member since Sep 2003
59605 posts
Posted on 7/26/16 at 12:36 pm to
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Growing up in a Belgian Muslim-enclave shithole with a connection to YouTube is sufficient, now.

sad but true. it's been glorified and to many who cannot adjust, this is a false connection to feel like they're belonging to something.
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
261521 posts
Posted on 7/26/16 at 12:37 pm to
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Anecdotal reports from Iraq suggest that a large proportion of the ISIS fighters they face on some fronts in Iraq are conscripted soldiers with poor morale, training, and resolve. This could be one reason why ISIS is crumbling in Iraq.


Makes sense. Conscripts and low morale go together.
Posted by MSCoastTigerGirl
Baton Rouge
Member since Dec 2008
35525 posts
Posted on 7/26/16 at 12:38 pm to
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Quote from a WWII veteran
"The hell you can't. Because we did it. These Muslims are no different than the [Imperial] Japanese. The Japs had their suicide bombers too. And we stopped them. What it takes is the resolve and will to use a level of brutality and violence that your generations can't stomach. And until you can, this shite won't stop. It took us on the beaches with bullets, clearing out caves with flame throwers, and men like LeMay burning down their cities killing people by the tens of thousands. And then it took 2 atom bombs on top of it. But if that was what it took to win we were willing to do it. Until you are willing to do the same...well I hope you enjoy this shite, because it ain't going to stop."

Quote from a WWII veteran overhearing someone say that `You can't bomb an ideology."




Posted by Hog on the Hill
AR
Member since Jun 2009
13389 posts
Posted on 7/26/16 at 12:39 pm to
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And I could go on and on but you should get the picture by now. Europe has opened the floodgates to Muslims for the past several decades and now those Muslims are slaughtering Europeans right and left. What Europe is seeing right now is a preview of what we'll be seeing here soon thanks to the flood of "refugees" we're brining in right now.
I think we've taken less than 3,000 Syrian refugees since the beginning of the civil war. I wouldn't call that a "flood"
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
261521 posts
Posted on 7/26/16 at 12:40 pm to
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sad but true. it's been glorified and to many who cannot adjust, this is a false connection to feel like they're belonging to something.


One article said one of the French attackers tried to join up with IS but was turned away at the Turkish border.
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