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Soccer then and now.
Posted on 7/13/16 at 8:21 pm
Posted on 7/13/16 at 8:21 pm
As an American spectator sport, on a scale of 1-10 in terms of prominence (10 being NFL), where was soccer 20 years ago, where is it now, and where will it be in ten years?
I will say it was a 1, now it's a 3.5, and in 10 years it will be a 5.
I will say it was a 1, now it's a 3.5, and in 10 years it will be a 5.
Posted on 7/13/16 at 8:25 pm to baybeefeetz
Consistent interest is still minimal, but media coverage has exploded.
There was a time not so long ago when ESPN basically covered the World Cup and that was it. I don't ever remember MLS or Premiere League highlights as a kid.
There was a time not so long ago when ESPN basically covered the World Cup and that was it. I don't ever remember MLS or Premiere League highlights as a kid.
Posted on 7/13/16 at 8:27 pm to baybeefeetz
2 to 5 IMO. If people get over the fact that the MLS will always be secondary to the top Euro leagues in the heart of fans, they'll see that it's already a clear number four and not that far behind baseball.
Posted on 7/13/16 at 8:27 pm to baybeefeetz
It's been "the up and coming sport" since I was in high school in the 1980s.
Posted on 7/13/16 at 9:01 pm to baybeefeetz
quote:
As an American spectator sport, on a scale of 1-10 in terms of prominence (10 being NFL), where was soccer 20 years ago, where is it now, and where will it be in ten years?
Soccer
This should really be our logo on the USMNT.
"America's sport of the future since 1972."
I read about the 4-year plan recently that they had back then.
Gonna be #1 in 1976!
This post was edited on 7/13/16 at 9:03 pm
Posted on 7/13/16 at 9:24 pm to baybeefeetz
Then- maybe a -1? It was a sport every kid played and no one cared about after they stopped playing and moved to football, baseball, and basketball.
Now- maybe a 4. The popularity of the Fifa video game franchise is making some of the lesser known (to non soccer followers) players more known. More leagues and teams are starting to become better known to younger kids and gamers. Added that the European championships and the Americas championships just happened and both were pretty good tourneys.
Future- hard to say. As others have said, soccer has been the sport of the future since Pele came over here. I think it's on an upswing, but can we do anything with it?
Now- maybe a 4. The popularity of the Fifa video game franchise is making some of the lesser known (to non soccer followers) players more known. More leagues and teams are starting to become better known to younger kids and gamers. Added that the European championships and the Americas championships just happened and both were pretty good tourneys.
Future- hard to say. As others have said, soccer has been the sport of the future since Pele came over here. I think it's on an upswing, but can we do anything with it?
Posted on 7/13/16 at 9:46 pm to baybeefeetz
Soccer is at its peak right now. It might still continue to grow with the Latino population in the US but it's saturated the market know. It is not an unknown.
We have real entertainment in America. 90 minutes of teams kicking the ball away from the goal for a game to end in a 1-1 tie is not going to go fat in America.
We have real entertainment in America. 90 minutes of teams kicking the ball away from the goal for a game to end in a 1-1 tie is not going to go fat in America.
Posted on 7/13/16 at 9:55 pm to baybeefeetz
"We really don't care"
That's how the majority of casual fans in this country view soccer.
I don't follow MLB, Nascar, or the NHL but I know who the top players in those sports are.
Ask me who the top player in US soccer is and off the top of my head I'll probably say a member of the US women's soccer team.
I watch MLS and just see a bunch of fans trying hard to be like European fans, there is nothing unique to the US about that. Soccer in the US needs a homegrown phenom, on the level of Messi, Ronaldo to even be close to moving up that popularity ladder.
also soccer needs to be exposed to more kids at an early age, especially in the deep south.
That's how the majority of casual fans in this country view soccer.
I don't follow MLB, Nascar, or the NHL but I know who the top players in those sports are.
Ask me who the top player in US soccer is and off the top of my head I'll probably say a member of the US women's soccer team.
I watch MLS and just see a bunch of fans trying hard to be like European fans, there is nothing unique to the US about that. Soccer in the US needs a homegrown phenom, on the level of Messi, Ronaldo to even be close to moving up that popularity ladder.
also soccer needs to be exposed to more kids at an early age, especially in the deep south.
This post was edited on 7/13/16 at 9:59 pm
Posted on 7/13/16 at 10:05 pm to baybeefeetz
20 years ago, I didn't know soccer was a sport. Now, I'd say it's about a 3 on a scale of 1 to football.
Posted on 7/13/16 at 10:10 pm to baybeefeetz
So much ignorance in this thread.
Posted on 7/13/16 at 10:24 pm to baybeefeetz
2016 Harris Poll
1. NFL
2. MLB
3. College Football
4. Nascar
5. NBA
6. NHL
7. Soccer (Premiere/MLS)
8. Golf
List of Americans that said this was their favorite sport...
Nothing has really changed for soccer except the last two years...but only minimally.
So there's hope but it's just minor things corresponding with the World Cup. The big spike was 2014 Brazil World Cup.
Men’s soccer
1985 - 3%
1989 - 2%
1992 - 2%
1993 - 1%
1994 - 3%
1997 - 3%
1998 - 4%
2002 - 3%
2003 - 3%
2004 - 3%
2005 - 2%
2006 - 2%
2007 - 2%
2008 - 3%
2009 - 2%
2010 - 4%
2011 - 1%
2012 - 2%
2013 - 2%
2014 - 6%
2015 - 4%
1. NFL
2. MLB
3. College Football
4. Nascar
5. NBA
6. NHL
7. Soccer (Premiere/MLS)
8. Golf
List of Americans that said this was their favorite sport...
Nothing has really changed for soccer except the last two years...but only minimally.
So there's hope but it's just minor things corresponding with the World Cup. The big spike was 2014 Brazil World Cup.
Men’s soccer
1985 - 3%
1989 - 2%
1992 - 2%
1993 - 1%
1994 - 3%
1997 - 3%
1998 - 4%
2002 - 3%
2003 - 3%
2004 - 3%
2005 - 2%
2006 - 2%
2007 - 2%
2008 - 3%
2009 - 2%
2010 - 4%
2011 - 1%
2012 - 2%
2013 - 2%
2014 - 6%
2015 - 4%
Posted on 7/14/16 at 1:13 am to baybeefeetz
I watch it but I understand that soccer is an Olympic sport in America.
We get all jazzed for world cup and Olympics and not much else.
How many SEC schools are invested in college soccer?
How are they doing their part?
Not much huh?
If you can't make it huge nationally in college besides the West Coast, it won't provide a fanbase.
It's like USA is Midwest and west coast pro popular fanbase and nothing else.
That's not a national fandom.
It's Oregon and Washington and Cali and Ohio.
That's the soccer fanbase that puts butts in the seats.
We get all jazzed for world cup and Olympics and not much else.
How many SEC schools are invested in college soccer?
How are they doing their part?
Not much huh?
If you can't make it huge nationally in college besides the West Coast, it won't provide a fanbase.
It's like USA is Midwest and west coast pro popular fanbase and nothing else.
That's not a national fandom.
It's Oregon and Washington and Cali and Ohio.
That's the soccer fanbase that puts butts in the seats.
This post was edited on 7/14/16 at 1:21 am
Posted on 7/14/16 at 12:28 pm to baybeefeetz
quote:
As an American spectator sport, on a scale of 1-10 in terms of prominence (10 being NFL), where was soccer 20 years ago, where is it now, and where will it be in ten years?
I will say it was a 1, now it's a 3.5, and in 10 years it will be a 5.
If we're just talking about MLS and the US MNT and WNT, it's still probably a consistent 2 rising to 4-5 on rare occasions.
If we're including EPL and Euros and things like that, it's probably a consistent 4 overall, maybe rising to 6ish+ in urban areas and at peak times. I live in Atlanta, and it's pretty normal for me to go to a normal (not soccer) sports bar and see an EPL game or recently, a Euro game on TV.
We're getting to the point where EPL games and Champions League get time on the front page of ESPN and on Sportscenter. Non-soccer people talk about stuff like Leicester City and other notable events in a generic, "universally interesting sports story" sort of way. I come across more and more people who have started to claim EPL teams even if they are far from avid viewers.
I think all of that is different. It's almost like people are preparing themselves for the day when soccer is truly prominent ("I can't say I watch that many of the games, but I'd probably be an Arsenal fan"). shite like that.
Posted on 7/14/16 at 12:35 pm to baybeefeetz
There are some rule changes that could make it more palatable to the american public, but it would be arrogant to think that the game should change for us.
It never will be a top 3 sport in America. Just won't happen.
It's just not as exciting. Like most people don't like watching golf.
I'm not gonna sit down and watch an MLS game, but I will watch when the US plays, and this was the first time I watched the UEFA semis and finals.
It never will be a top 3 sport in America. Just won't happen.
It's just not as exciting. Like most people don't like watching golf.
I'm not gonna sit down and watch an MLS game, but I will watch when the US plays, and this was the first time I watched the UEFA semis and finals.
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