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re: Q: "Why didn't we pass more last night?"
Posted on 9/27/15 at 6:13 pm to Sentrius
Posted on 9/27/15 at 6:13 pm to Sentrius
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Bravo.
Harris and the receivers need to start developing chemistry and a stable, competent passing game.
We're going to need a decent passing game to beat Bama and Ole piss to get to atlanta.
Jesus . . .
Okay, yeah. You guys are right. The coaches are fricking up big time by not throwing the ball as much as you'd like. It's amazing that they haven't thought of that problem.
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Posted on 9/27/15 at 6:15 pm to Choupique19
quote:That shows very little in the grand scheme of things. First, none of those 40 play for LSU currently. Second, there's the whole "match up" thing. We're mainly a running team, and we're REALLY good at it. We meet a team whose strength is stopping the run and it's a fight.
NFLU...40 players in the NFL says different.
We won a game that started in the morning across the country by two scores Saturday, destroyed AU, and beat MSU at their place without the luxury of a tune up. Get over it.
Posted on 9/27/15 at 6:15 pm to VOR
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There is no reason to believe that the passing game will not come. Please, spare me with pointing to last year's shitty season. It's not particularly representative of anything.
we passed the ball better our first 3 games last year compared to our first 3 this year
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There is no reason to believe that the passing game will not come.
the worry is past history. 2009, 2010, 2011, about half of 2012, and 2014 are reasons to believe that we will have passing game issues
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Did Russell, Flynn and Mettenberger perform sufficiently for you guys when they were here?
2 guys developed by jimbo and one outlier that we didn't have to develop his first 2 years
after jimbo's guys left, how has our passing game been? 1.5 good years? (half of 2012 and 2013) how many years has it been bad? a much bigger number than 1.5. the burden is on miles/cam to show they can develop a passing game
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Honestly, do you guys believe this team is incapable of passing or will be unable to do so because they haven't passed more through three games of the season?
we're 3 games in and our passing game, with an amazing running game to take pressure off, is not that good. we still have the same issues (pass protection, WR drops, no routes over the middle, over reliance on big plays, lack of TE/RB passes, etc) that our offense has had since miles shut it down in 2008
Posted on 9/27/15 at 6:15 pm to ballscaster
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Didn't say it was.
Hmmm, about 5 posts above this comment was...
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If you're steamrolling the opponent, you don't pass. This idea is as old as the forward pass itself.
And there was also this nugget in the OP...
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It is ignorant to think that LSU should have passed more,
Posted on 9/27/15 at 6:16 pm to VOR
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The coaches are fricking up big time by not throwing the ball as much as you'd like. It's amazing that they haven't thought of that problem
well it cost us a title in 2011, so don't act like the stubbornness hasn't cost us before
Posted on 9/27/15 at 6:19 pm to Fishhead
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We won a game that started in the morning across the country by two scores Saturday, destroyed AU, and beat MSU at their place without the luxury of a tune up. Get over it.
Get over what? The OP has been bumping this thread since the Sunday after Miss State.
And the NFLU comment was asking why the OP didn't criticize LSU's game plan when we have lost 11 games the last 3 years with the most future NFL players. The OP thinks that if LSU wins, then absolutely nothing was wrong with any part of the game. But if LSU loses, it's not the game plan's fault, the other team was just better. You can't have it both ways.
Some would say that LSU has won many of their games over the last many years simply because we had the better players, not necessarily the best game plan.
Posted on 9/27/15 at 6:23 pm to VOR
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Okay, yeah. You guys are right. The coaches are fricking up big time by not throwing the ball as much as you'd like. It's amazing that they haven't thought of that problem.
I've seen this movie before in 2011 with Jordan Jefferson who was basically a Harris clone. I can read tea leaves.
You cannot expect to win the tough games against great teams just running and riding Fournette. We're eventually going to play a team that has a front 7 big and stout enough to slow down Fournette and then from on, they'll go ham on our non existent passing game that will not be enough to save LSU.
Why are you ok with LSU being one dimensional until they play a team that can actually make LSU zero dimensional?
Seriosuly, do you think you LSU is going to win the natty just on Fournette's legs alone in a team sport?
Posted on 9/27/15 at 6:23 pm to VOR
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Did Russell, Flynn and Mettenberger perform sufficiently for you guys when they were here?
Mettenberger played with some of the most talented LSU teams ever. Yet, we lost 6 games of the 25 games he started. Of those 6, Mett shoulders much of the blame on only 1 of those. So with whom does the buck stop with on the rest?
And before you blame "young defense", there sure do seem to be alot of comments about the "no defense" being played by Baylor and TCU, yet those teams are still figuring out ways to outscore the other teams.
Posted on 9/27/15 at 6:25 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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It's pretty vanilla and transparent. LSU doesn't do the ground game any favors with the predictability of the offense.
Too many people act like there isn't any scheming done in the run game. If teams throw it all over the yard with success their coaches are geniuses. If they run it down another team's throat consistently they are boring, conservative, or whatever other adjective you want to use.
Cam Cameron's offenses have always been highly productive in the run game. Yes, he's had great backs. It would be hard to argue he doesn't play a role in that success.
The year after Cameron left San Diego, Tomlinson went from 1815 yards rushing and 28 TDs to 1,474 and 15 TDs. No, San Diego didn't throw more the next years as Rivers actually had seven fewer attempts the next year.
The year after Cameron left Baltimore, Ray Rice went from 1,143 yards and nine TDs to 660 yards and 4 TDs. FLacco threw 45 more times but his TD to INT ratio went from 20-12 the year his last year under Cam to 19 TDs and 22 INTs his first year without Cam.
Even the disastrous year Cameron was in Miami, Ronnie Brown only played in seven games before getting hurt and averaged 86.0 yards per game. He averaged 57.3 the year after Cameron was fired.
While a freshman, Jeremy Hill averaged 5.3 yards per carry. The next year he averaged 6.9. He had 754 more yards from scrimmage (1,582 up from 828) in only 71 more touches.
Posted on 9/27/15 at 6:26 pm to Choupique19
quote:This.
If you're steamrolling the opponent, you don't pass. This idea is as old as the forward pass itself.
Posted on 9/27/15 at 6:26 pm to SlowFlowPro
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the worry is past history. 2009, 2010, 2011, about half of 2012, and 2014 are reasons to believe that we will have passing game issues
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2 guys developed by jimbo and one outlier that we didn't have to develop his first 2 years
after jimbo's guys left, how has our passing game been? 1.5 good years? (half of 2012 and 2013) how many years has it been bad? a much bigger number than 1.5. the burden is on miles/cam to show they can develop a passing game
People still don't understand that Les has never developed a freshman QB he recruited into something that could be compared to Flynn, Mett and JR.
And he probably never will until he retires. As successful as Les has been at LSU, QB development will be his achilles heel.
Posted on 9/27/15 at 6:27 pm to Choupique19
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Sometimes the other team is better.
Is what he said, then your reply was NFLU 40 players in the league........
So THAT is why I said that means nothing to this year's LSU team...those players aren't here.
I don't agree with the OPs entire argument, but I do think, like in most everything, there's two extremes while the actual truth lies somewhere between them. And that's the case here. Harris is coming along, still throwing high a good bit, but seemed to take some strides yesterday and did it when it was actually necessary. He'll continue to improve, as do most young QBs as they gain experience. You can point to JJ all you want, but I'll easily come back with Mettenberger and many more to support my stance that QBs get better with experience.
So do wide receivers. John Diarse needs to catch the ball, and the damn OL needs to learn to pass block before we can depend on the passing game much. The goal is to win the game. That's the coach's job. It isn't always pretty and there are things to criticize. The passing game is not even close to the main issue with this team right now though. Penalties, special teams, 2nd half defense, and OL pass blocking are all way ahead.
Posted on 9/27/15 at 6:29 pm to Sentrius
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Seriosuly, do you think you LSU is going to win the natty just on Fournette's legs alone in a team sport?
Sure, that's exactly what I think.
You got me.
I guess we'll see who's crowing in late November. I promise you I'm going to have the memory of a motherfricking elephant on this subject, though.
Posted on 9/27/15 at 6:30 pm to Sentrius
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As successful as Les has been at LSU, QB development will be his achilles heel.
If you haven't seen the growth that Brandon Harris has made since last year I don't know what to tell you. I'd say Cam Cameron has helped develop a few good quarterbacks.
Posted on 9/27/15 at 6:30 pm to VOR
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I guess we'll see who's crowing in late November. I promise you I'm going to have the memory of a motherfricking elephant on this subject, though
i hope so
i had the exact same argument in 2011 when people were proclaiming that team the GOAT and i didn't make them eat crow after the title game b/c i was devastated. you can use your elephant memory to remind people, again, how right i was. i won't have to
Posted on 9/27/15 at 6:32 pm to Sentrius
quote:Credibility gone right there. JJ has an extremely slow release, and about 1/2 the arm of Brandon Harris. Also wasn't as good at escaping pressure and creating a huge play with his legs, although yes, I remember the run up the middle against Tennessee.
Jordan Jefferson who was basically a Harris clone
Posted on 9/27/15 at 6:33 pm to VOR
I'm going by history, wisdom and common sense. If a team is going to win a championship on the back of one player, it's always going to be a QB and a very special one at that too. One RB just can't be your entire offense against great teams.
Posted on 9/27/15 at 6:33 pm to SlowFlowPro
For the record, I'm making no predictions. Anything can happen. I am saying, however, that there's a lot of woe is me overreaction after three games.
Posted on 9/27/15 at 6:35 pm to trooploop
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If you haven't seen the growth that Brandon Harris has made since last year
i haven't seen this growth b/c he hasn't been allowed to show it. he has barely thrown the ball
again
anthony jennings was doing a LOT better through 3 games last year compared to where harris is today. go look it up (i did earlier)
Posted on 9/27/15 at 6:35 pm to Sentrius
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I'm going by history, wisdom and common sense. If a team is going to win a championship on the back of one player, it's always going to be a QB and a very special one at that too. One RB just can't be your entire offense against great teams.
Oh for frick's sake. My entire point is that they won't be relying solely on Fournette. Holy shite, guys.
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