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re: Who knows more about LSU quarterback debates than Jarrett Lee?: Podcast
Posted on 8/22/15 at 3:55 pm to NewMoneyTrash
Posted on 8/22/15 at 3:55 pm to NewMoneyTrash
quote:we'll never know because Miles figured the defense/special teams was gonna win that game too. so in effect we accepted defeat somewhere in the middle of the first half
do you think thats how it would've went?
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Posted on 8/22/15 at 3:57 pm to blackjackjackson
Lee sounded great. Love that he is still such a fan of LSU. Really glad to have had him. Very good stuff.
Posted on 8/22/15 at 4:04 pm to tduecen
quote:Lee stopped trying after the Mississippi State game?quote:Incorrect it took Lee 3 games as he threw for 218 against Mississippi State
Jefferson played THREE games to throw for over 200 yards. It took Lee NINE games.
Posted on 8/22/15 at 4:07 pm to Salviati
Nope but it did not take him 9, it took him 3 and he threw over 175 yards several times. How many times did Jefferson throw over 100 vs Lee?
Posted on 8/22/15 at 4:12 pm to tduecen
quote:Come on, man.
Lee in 123 less attempts threw 32 TD vs Jefferson 34 career
Really?!?!
When Lee got close, LSU threw a fade.
When Jefferson got close, Jefferson ran it in.
Jefferson had 12 rushing TDs.
Lee had 0 rushing TDs.
Jefferson had 1,018 rushing yards.
Lee had -181 rushing yards.
quote:Lee threw more interceptions per pass attempt than Jefferson.
Jefferson threw 21 career INT vs Less 20 INT
Lee had a 3.72% Int%.
Jefferson had a 2.95% Int%.
Posted on 8/22/15 at 4:13 pm to tduecen
quote:You are absolutely fixated on passing. So what if LSU only attempted 8 passes?quote:You mean the game LSU attempted 8 total passes the entire game? (Lee was 1-1) as Jefferson was still in the game in the 3rd quarter with LSU up 42-3
At some point, you have to call off the dogs and let the backup play. Lee played well too in that game.
You do know that passing yards count the same as rushing yards, right?
You do know that passing TDs count the same as rushing TDs, right?
Posted on 8/22/15 at 4:15 pm to monsterballads
quote:
I think it was insanity to keep doing the same thing that obviously wasn't working
agreed. It was insanity to start Lee vs Bama 11/5 after his past history of performance against them. Everyone knew he couldn't handle that kind of attacking defense.
Least Jefferson came in and got LSU to the championship game.
Posted on 8/22/15 at 4:16 pm to Salviati
Let's Co pare senior year when both players received plays... a lot of your "stats" include Lee's freshman year after which he performed better. Can you say the same for Jefferson? Jefferson was not the best option and LSU made a mistake staying fa with Jefferson during the senior year for both.
Remove the freshman year and Lee beat Jefferson in several important stats.
Remove the freshman year and Lee beat Jefferson in several important stats.
Posted on 8/22/15 at 4:16 pm to tduecen
quote:
Nope but it did not take him 9, it took him 3 and he threw over 175 yards several times.
Seriously?!?!
Lee had ONE game over 200 yards in NINE attempts.
Jefferson had ONE game over 200 yards in THREE attempts.
And I still don't understand your fixation on passing yards. The rules allow the QB to run the ball.
You completely ignore that Jefferson rushed for 1,018 yards while Lee lost 181 yards.
You completely ignore that Jefferson rushed for 12 TDs while Lee rushed for 0 TDs.
Posted on 8/22/15 at 4:20 pm to tduecen
quote:Dude,
Let's Co pare senior year when both players received plays... a lot of your "stats" include Lee's freshman year after which he performed better. Can you say the same for Jefferson? Jefferson was not the best option and LSU made a mistake staying fa with Jefferson during the senior year for both.
Remove the freshman year and Lee beat Jefferson in several important stats.
How about we just compare the 2011 regular season: all of their stats for the 2011 regular season? (Can't compare the post-season because Lee didn't play in the post-season.)
Or, if you want another apples to apples comparison, compare how they performed against the #3 team in the country.
LSU played the #3 team twice in 2011.
In the first game, the QB completed 45% of his passes for less than 100 yards passing. His QB rating was under 100. That #3 team had the 88th ranked passing defense.
In the second game LSU played against a #3 team, the QB completed 62% of his passes for over 200 yards passing. The QB also rushed for 53 yards in LSU's most prolific offensive performance in 2011. The only game in which LSU gained almost 500 yards . . . and the QB was responsible for over half of those yards. That #3 team had the 24th ranked passing defense.
The first game was Lee's game against Oregon.
The second game was Jefferson's game against Arkansas.
Posted on 8/22/15 at 4:25 pm to tduecen
quote:Jefferson (2011 Regular Season)
Let's Co pare senior year when both players received plays
64.3%, 9.34 YPA, 5 TDs, 1 INT, INT% 1.43%, Overall Rating 163.48
Lee (2011 Regular Season)
62.3%, 7.82 YPA, 14 TDs, 3 INTs, INT% 1.80%, Overall Rating 152.04
quote:
Remove the freshman year and Lee beat Jefferson in several important stats.
SEC Regular Season Games
Posted on 8/22/15 at 4:28 pm to Salviati
JL > JJ
DWI Sal.
DWI Sal.
Posted on 8/22/15 at 4:31 pm to Salviati
JL > JJ
DWI Sal. Find something else to devote your life to
DWI Sal. Find something else to devote your life to
Posted on 8/22/15 at 4:36 pm to Makinbacon
quote:You make an uncompelling argument completely lacking in analysis or facts.
JL > JJ
DWI Sal.
quote:I do not start these threads, and I am not the first person to post about Lee vs. Jefferson. HOWEVER, when someone makes a post that is inaccurate, I will post the facts.
Find something else to devote your life to
Posted on 8/22/15 at 4:47 pm to Makinbacon
quote:
DWI Sal. Find something else to devote your life to
Translation:
I have no clue what you are saying.
Posted on 8/22/15 at 4:49 pm to Salviati
quote:first game of the season... Jefferson turned himself in on August 26th of that year, which means LSU had 8 days to prepare without him.... I mean it is not like a guy who had 8 days to prepare vs one who had 2 starts and several reps would perform better right?
In the first game
Posted on 8/22/15 at 4:54 pm to tduecen
quote:I mean it is not like Lee was in his FIFTH fricking year right?quote:first game of the season... Jefferson turned himself in on August 26th of that year, which means LSU had 8 days to prepare without him.... I mean it is not like a guy who had 8 days to prepare vs one who had 2 starts and several reps would perform better right?
In the first game
You've got to do better than that.
Posted on 8/22/15 at 5:02 pm to Salviati
5th year or 1st year.... being thrown into your first game 8 days before the season opener is a difficult situation.... Jefferson was not a savior, Lee was not a savior, however during the 2011 year Lee was the better quarterback.
Posted on 8/22/15 at 5:12 pm to tduecen
quote:It wasn't his first game. It was just the first game of 2011, AND it was Oregon's first game too.
5th year or 1st year.... being thrown into your first game 8 days before the season opener is a difficult situation
quote:Agreed. I never said that either of them were a savior.
Jefferson was not a savior, Lee was not a savior
quote:No. Lee was not the better QB.
however during the 2011 year Lee was the better quarterback.
Jefferson (2011 Regular Season)
64.3%, 9.34 YPA, 5 TDs, 1 INT, INT% 1.43%, Overall Rating 163.48
Lee (2011 Regular Season)
62.3%, 7.82 YPA, 14 TDs, 3 INTs, INT% 1.80%, Overall Rating 152.04
SEC Regular Season Games
1. LSU ran the ball better when Jefferson was the QB.
2. Jefferson was an infinitely better running QB than Lee.
3. Jefferson was a better passing QB than Lee. Lee was merely an efficient QB, but Jefferson was MORE efficient than Lee during the 2011 regular from the moment he attempted his first pass.
And in games against Alabama, there is ABSOLUTELY no contest. Lee was death against Alabama. He never won a game against Alabama. Jefferson beat Alabama as a junior, and Jefferson bear Alabama as a senior.
Posted on 8/22/15 at 5:21 pm to blackjackjackson
quote:If Cam Cameron would have been here back then, JL would have wound up an All-SEC and All-American QB.
The strong-armed Texan emerged as the starter as a redshirt freshman in 2008 and in eight games, he was 143-of-269 passing for 1,873 yards and 14 touchdowns and wound up ranked second in program history among freshman QBs to Tommy Hodson in yards, touchdowns, attempts and completions.
You don't pull a QB with that much potential because he throws picks as a true freshman. As a sophmore, you just put him back in there and let him play it out. That's just more LM
QB management..................
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