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Unintended consequences of smoking ban in New Orleans
Posted on 5/9/15 at 10:49 am
Posted on 5/9/15 at 10:49 am
So after my search to find all of the bars that are breaking the law the other night, I noticed and spoke to the bartenders about trends caused by this smoking ban. I typically go to neighborhood bars, but also went to a few bigger ones and noticed similar things.
I'll give the example of Snake & Jake's because that was the bar with the biggest problem:
Before the the smoking ban was enacted, S&J's used to be packed inside on Thursday, Friday, and Saturday nights. When I went the other night, all of those people that used to be inside were standing on the sidewalk and in the street. There were two fights in front of resident's houses, one knocking down a wrought iron fence. Outside of the front door, it was loud because drunk people were yelling constantly, smoke everywhere, broken bottles and cigarette butts covering the ground, and someone pulled their car up and was playing music.
I spoke to one of the bartenders, and he said they had been getting complaints pretty much every night about the noise. The door guy was having an even harder time because he had to check ID's every time someone stepped outside to smoke and wanted to come back inside. This was hard because there were probably 30-40 people outside the door. He said the fights were happening more often because people had more room to get rowdy.
Another thing I noticed was that the non-smokers had now come outside to hang out with their friends who were smoking. Yeah, that happened. The hour and a half while I was there, there were no more than 10 people inside the bar at any time. Keep in mind that there were 30-40 people standing right outside the door. The bartenders would take turns coming outside and hanging out with everyone there.
I went to a bigger bar on Magazine earlier in the night, and noticed the same thing....but worse. More trash on the street, people almost getting hit by cars every couple of minutes, more fights, people passed out on the sidewalk, throw up on the sidewalk, etc. They also said that their sales had decreased because people just werent in the bar and didn't think about getting another drink or taking another shot. The people ended up leaving sooner because they were closer to their cars by being outside. One of the bartenders said that non-smokers did not go out as much, stay out as late, or spend as much on drinks as smokers. Inside of this bar had about 15 people, and again around 30 people were outside right on a busy street.
All of these trends were seen at each of the 5 bars I went that night. One bar, which usually had about 90% smokers, barely had anyone in it. The lights were even on inside. It was pathetic, and made me feel like shite that bars I had been going to for 15 years were hurting because of the decisions of a few communists.
So for all of you smoking ban supporters and people saying it works so well in other cities . You are ruining the essence of what America is about, and you have hurt small businesses all over the city that have been open for 50+ years.
I'll give the example of Snake & Jake's because that was the bar with the biggest problem:
Before the the smoking ban was enacted, S&J's used to be packed inside on Thursday, Friday, and Saturday nights. When I went the other night, all of those people that used to be inside were standing on the sidewalk and in the street. There were two fights in front of resident's houses, one knocking down a wrought iron fence. Outside of the front door, it was loud because drunk people were yelling constantly, smoke everywhere, broken bottles and cigarette butts covering the ground, and someone pulled their car up and was playing music.
I spoke to one of the bartenders, and he said they had been getting complaints pretty much every night about the noise. The door guy was having an even harder time because he had to check ID's every time someone stepped outside to smoke and wanted to come back inside. This was hard because there were probably 30-40 people outside the door. He said the fights were happening more often because people had more room to get rowdy.
Another thing I noticed was that the non-smokers had now come outside to hang out with their friends who were smoking. Yeah, that happened. The hour and a half while I was there, there were no more than 10 people inside the bar at any time. Keep in mind that there were 30-40 people standing right outside the door. The bartenders would take turns coming outside and hanging out with everyone there.
I went to a bigger bar on Magazine earlier in the night, and noticed the same thing....but worse. More trash on the street, people almost getting hit by cars every couple of minutes, more fights, people passed out on the sidewalk, throw up on the sidewalk, etc. They also said that their sales had decreased because people just werent in the bar and didn't think about getting another drink or taking another shot. The people ended up leaving sooner because they were closer to their cars by being outside. One of the bartenders said that non-smokers did not go out as much, stay out as late, or spend as much on drinks as smokers. Inside of this bar had about 15 people, and again around 30 people were outside right on a busy street.
All of these trends were seen at each of the 5 bars I went that night. One bar, which usually had about 90% smokers, barely had anyone in it. The lights were even on inside. It was pathetic, and made me feel like shite that bars I had been going to for 15 years were hurting because of the decisions of a few communists.
So for all of you smoking ban supporters and people saying it works so well in other cities . You are ruining the essence of what America is about, and you have hurt small businesses all over the city that have been open for 50+ years.
Posted on 5/9/15 at 10:53 am to Hammertime
Smoking bans are un-American. End of story. I don't even smoke.
Posted on 5/9/15 at 10:56 am to Hammertime
Well it surely makes sense. A smoking ban coupled with no open container laws, we're going to see a lot more people hanging outside. I haven't been paying attention much, but I'm in the quarter and I certainly expect more people to be hanging out in the streets, which is a recipe for trouble IMO.
Posted on 5/9/15 at 11:07 am to Hammertime
This is a good opportunity for all these bars to create some really nice outdoor space and turn this negative into something positive. Win Win
Posted on 5/9/15 at 11:08 am to Hammertime
Bars that have the largest patios are going to become the most popular bars, that is what happened in AZ when they banned smoking. Anyone in NO with some cash should be all over opening one ASAP.
Posted on 5/9/15 at 11:19 am to Hammertime
I haven't been to NO since the ban. How does it effect the bars like the beach on bourbon and Pat O's that have the open indoor/outdoor layout? I could see it being almost impossible to enforce at those places.
Posted on 5/9/15 at 11:19 am to Hammertime
I live in a city that has had a smoking ban for a number of years now, so I have seen it work firsthand without all of the issues you just listed.
However, I will admit that I never considered the issue that is specific to NOLA - being able to open carry in the city. That does make it much easier and more convenient for non-smokers to join their disgusting friends outside.
As for residents complaining about noise...get over it. You live next to a bar. Should have seen that coming.
However, I will admit that I never considered the issue that is specific to NOLA - being able to open carry in the city. That does make it much easier and more convenient for non-smokers to join their disgusting friends outside.
As for residents complaining about noise...get over it. You live next to a bar. Should have seen that coming.
Posted on 5/9/15 at 11:27 am to Hammertime
People will adapt and it will take more then a few weeks. I know you say don't compare to other cities buts that's all you have to go on.
Austin Tx has been smoke free for years and you can walk all around the city and see full bar after full bar and no loitering in the street but that's because open container is enforced. Almost every female I know prefers smoke free bars and that's what's going to drive this.
Give it a few more months, chicks won't like standing on a street, amongst fights and muggers and will move back into the bar. When that happens guys will be back in the bar and only stepping outside for a quick smoke.
Austin Tx has been smoke free for years and you can walk all around the city and see full bar after full bar and no loitering in the street but that's because open container is enforced. Almost every female I know prefers smoke free bars and that's what's going to drive this.
Give it a few more months, chicks won't like standing on a street, amongst fights and muggers and will move back into the bar. When that happens guys will be back in the bar and only stepping outside for a quick smoke.
Posted on 5/9/15 at 11:31 am to Hammertime
Friend of mine owns a house on Marshall Foche. Says it's a clusterfrick because everyone hangs outside of Parlays, screaming at each other, until the early AM....I told him to think of the tens of bar employees that gave a shite that the ban helps throughout the city.
Posted on 5/9/15 at 11:35 am to Hammertime
People just need to quit smoking, problem solved.
Posted on 5/9/15 at 11:37 am to Hammertime
Posted on 5/9/15 at 11:40 am to Hammertime
This is such a horseshite policy. I'm never coming home. Staying in thibodaux foreverrrrr. A buddy of mine posted a picture at parlays a few weeks back. Had to be 30 people outside smoking. I might be a little crazy, but I think a little civil retribution is in line for Latoya.
eta: To the ones talking about fines. It was my understanding the board of health is in charge of this? It would appear to me they are strapped and full with all the shite on their plate that they are already not enforcing considering the amount of shitty kitchens throughout the city. These frickers aren't coming out at 4 am to stop people from smoking. Period.
eta: To the ones talking about fines. It was my understanding the board of health is in charge of this? It would appear to me they are strapped and full with all the shite on their plate that they are already not enforcing considering the amount of shitty kitchens throughout the city. These frickers aren't coming out at 4 am to stop people from smoking. Period.
This post was edited on 5/9/15 at 11:46 am
Posted on 5/9/15 at 11:43 am to Hammertime
I'm not for the smoking ban
But I'm calling bs that you saw all those fights
But I'm calling bs that you saw all those fights
Posted on 5/9/15 at 11:47 am to Hammertime
It's amazing that it's 2015 and people still smoke cigarettes.
Posted on 5/9/15 at 12:03 pm to Hammertime
I've noticed a few times bartenders leaving the bar to smoke and leaving customers waiting. Annoying.
Posted on 5/9/15 at 12:04 pm to Hammertime
BR nightlife> NOLA nightlife
Posted on 5/9/15 at 12:12 pm to Hammertime
Talked to someone at Bruno's last night about this. They said the same thing, people are either out front or on the back patio late at night and not in the bar. Bruno's is lucky, as they have a back patio, so they really haven't lost any customers yet, but it's really not that hot yet. What happens when it's 85 to 90 at 10pm?
ETA, I don't smoke, never did.
ETA, I don't smoke, never did.
This post was edited on 5/9/15 at 12:13 pm
Posted on 5/9/15 at 12:17 pm to Hammertime
I was at Lucy's last Friday night, and while there did seem to be more people outside than usual (even for them - it looked like Bacchus out there), I didn't make the connection. It makes a lot more sense now.
Posted on 5/9/15 at 12:44 pm to Hammertime
A majority of the country has banned smoking indoors. A majority of those who haven't are the poorest and unhealthiest.
Smoking bans are just turrible...
Smoking bans are just turrible...
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