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re: Avengers AOU Tomatometer Watch Thread - 79%
Posted on 4/29/15 at 9:44 am to Fewer Kilometers
Posted on 4/29/15 at 9:44 am to Fewer Kilometers
So, Joss Whedon wrote AoU by himself?
Inf War is suppose to have different writers and the Russos are directing, right?
Inf War is suppose to have different writers and the Russos are directing, right?
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Posted on 4/29/15 at 9:46 am to DelU249
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I am. People will come around. Crossovers have always been money grabs
Well, team books are different than crossovers. I do agree that the Avengers is inherently less interesting than Captain America or Iron Man's individual titles. It just doesn't lend itself to better stories, except when they are doing something truly grand (like the Kree-Skrull War).
And I know that crossovers get derided as money grabs, and they can be, but Marvel has been real good about having high quality Events and also the tie-ins are non-essential. I mean, you can read the Crossover without ever picking up a title you normally don't follow and still keep up.
I mean, Bendis gets a ton of crap for his Events, but they have been, by and large, pretty great. and the actual comic (not counting all of the tie-ins) has been tightly plotted and fun. I mean, this is a pretty stout run: Avengers Disassembled, Secret War, House of M, Civil War, Secret Invasion, Dark Reign, Siege, Fear Itself.
Now, it ran out of gas towards the end, and there's a bit of killing the goose that laid the golden egg (there's a lot of smaller events in there that no one gave a crap about). But the only time the Avengers are essential is WHEN there is a massive crossover. Otherwise, its just the cool kids preeening and stroking their egos.
I do like how Marvel stressed that this all one shared universe, but it's better if a character just pops in a solo title and then goes away. Like Tony Stark showing up to hook up Hawkeye's TV (Best. Cameo. Ever.) Or She-Hulk representing Captain America in court against Daredevil (all out of costume). It stresses the bonds, but still focuses on the character who is the focus of the story. The Avengers just gets muddled.
Posted on 4/29/15 at 9:48 am to Freauxzen
like everything, I blame George lucas...when I was a kid, movies for all ages had murder and sex. Now in order to have a movie acceptable for children the only people that can die are a horde of weird aliens that don't speak or a horde of robots without a soul.
not to sound like an old man that thinks everything was better in my day, but they used to make movies for kids with dan aykroyd getting a ghost bj, or Indiana jones shooting people in the face during a Nepalese shootout.
now it's all dora the explorer type bullshite. this is why I hate kids, they ruined movies. I also blame x men. it used to be, why don't we get more superhero movies, yay x men, and then the nightmare of our lives began
5 spiderman movies
2 wolverine movies
4 x men movies
2 hulk movies
2 thor movies
3 iron man movies
2 captain America movies
2 avenger movies
3 batman movies
2 fantastic 4 movies
2 superman movies
guardians of the galaxy
green lantern
daredevil
with superman/batman on the way, wonder woman, another spiderman, more avengers, more deadpool, more fantastic 4, more everything, super big arse fries
then everything else was sequel/prequel/remake nonsense...I want something new. yes I want star wars and batman, but I want something new more than that (ok, maybe not more than star wars)
that's just 15 years...let's look at the 15 years prior to this
4 batman movies
spawn
does dick tracy count? howard the duck?
blockbuster movies were Jurassic park and titanic. I've had enough of this superhero shite I want to go tell my 16 year old self what a fricking idiot I was because he always said "why don't they do superhero movies"
not to sound like an old man that thinks everything was better in my day, but they used to make movies for kids with dan aykroyd getting a ghost bj, or Indiana jones shooting people in the face during a Nepalese shootout.
now it's all dora the explorer type bullshite. this is why I hate kids, they ruined movies. I also blame x men. it used to be, why don't we get more superhero movies, yay x men, and then the nightmare of our lives began
5 spiderman movies
2 wolverine movies
4 x men movies
2 hulk movies
2 thor movies
3 iron man movies
2 captain America movies
2 avenger movies
3 batman movies
2 fantastic 4 movies
2 superman movies
guardians of the galaxy
green lantern
daredevil
with superman/batman on the way, wonder woman, another spiderman, more avengers, more deadpool, more fantastic 4, more everything, super big arse fries
then everything else was sequel/prequel/remake nonsense...I want something new. yes I want star wars and batman, but I want something new more than that (ok, maybe not more than star wars) that's just 15 years...let's look at the 15 years prior to this
4 batman movies
spawn
does dick tracy count? howard the duck?
blockbuster movies were Jurassic park and titanic. I've had enough of this superhero shite
I want to go tell my 16 year old self what a fricking idiot I was because he always said "why don't they do superhero movies"This post was edited on 4/29/15 at 9:52 am
Posted on 4/29/15 at 9:48 am to DelU249
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dark thor had some moments before they were ruined by stupid gags and stupid chicks
I'm alone on this, but I loved Thor: Dark World for precisely this reason. It made fun of the whole premise. Kat Dennings exists in the film just to keep winking to the audience and say "this is ridiculous, right?" And the final fight scene is quite literally the Scooby Doo running the doors bit.
I find Thor 2 to be a tremendously funny film. Hopefully, that was intentional. But I think it strikes the right tone for a film about Norse gods being real, only space aliens.
Posted on 4/29/15 at 9:50 am to DelU249
Well, you have FF7.
Posted on 4/29/15 at 9:55 am to Baloo
quote:I saw ninja turtles out of an obligation, but in the beginning there is this whole thing about the froth, and people like the froth
keep winking to the audience and say "this is ridiculous, right?"
they basically had a character tell the audience that this movie was going to suck
I hate that shite. Posted on 4/29/15 at 10:03 am to DelU249
quote:
when I was a kid, movies for all ages had murder and sex. Now in order to have a movie acceptable for children the only people that can die are a horde of weird aliens that don't speak or a horde of robots without a soul.
I do agree we could use some higher stakes in these films. Given that each movie is just another chapter in a continuing story, it gives the titular character narrative immunity (until the actor's contract runs out). We know Iron Man and Cap are safe in Ultron because they are already in the ads for Civil War.
They have also taken back the deaths that did occur. Nick Fury was just faking in Winter Soldier. Groot grows back in GotG. Even Agent Coulson is back on TV. People need to die, and they have to stay dead. I totally agree we need some stakes.
Also, the MCU is largely sexless. There is hardly any sex in this universe, and it could use some. OK, Tony gets it on offscreen, and there's a great line from Starlord about his ship looking like a Jackson Pollock painting under blacklight. But the only character who seems interested in sex who is not portrayed as a cad, is Captain America of all people. His relationship with Black Widow was so interesting precisely because it explored the loneliness of a guy who had been frozen for 50 years and wouldn't mind dating again. And Black Widow was wearing an arrow necklace throughout Winter Soldier, hinting at a relationship with Hawkeye, but again... off screen.
Part of the problem is the dearth of female characters. Black Widow is, right now, the only female super hero on earth in the MCU. And there's Gamora in space, but she's not all that interested in sex either.
God, Captain Marvel cannot get here soon enough. Need to break up the sausage fest.
Posted on 4/29/15 at 10:09 am to Baloo
the only universe that has been sexless without being boring was tolkein's
I agree. there is nothing at stake in these movies for me to care about.
even worse is that no one dies and then Natalie portman punches loki (and what these movies really need are a villain) and says "that was for new York"
unless she's an insurance agent, what the frick is she talking about?
I agree. there is nothing at stake in these movies for me to care about.
even worse is that no one dies and then Natalie portman punches loki (and what these movies really need are a villain) and says "that was for new York"
unless she's an insurance agent, what the frick is she talking about?
Posted on 4/29/15 at 10:34 am to DelU249
quote:
hey basically had a character tell the audience that this movie was going to suck I hate that shite.
As with everything, execution matters. I think Thor took its characters and plot seriously, while you had a character, though invested in the outcome, also realized that this whole thing was absurd. And it was. Something can be absurd and still have narrative stakes.
Also, Dennings is a more interesting character than Portman. I'm more invested in her survival and her story.
Posted on 4/29/15 at 10:37 am to DelU249
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unless she's an insurance agent, what the frick is she talking about?
You wouldn't punch out Osama bin Laden if you had the chance? I mean, I think that punch out is pretty straight forward. Loki was the prime instigator of destroying New York, and she lives there. And even if she didn't... screw you, dude. Don't mess with our cities, you jack arse.
The problem here is that we haven't seen anyone we know suffer in the NYC demolition (well, except Daredevil and everyone living in Hell's Kitchen). In fact, pretty much all of the Daredevil's problems are tied into the aftermath of the Battle of NY.
Posted on 4/29/15 at 10:41 am to Baloo
quote:all I saw in the movie was property damage. I think this explains it well, though I made one slight alteration...
You wouldn't punch out Osama bin Laden if you had the chance?
quote:
The problem here is that we didn't seen anyone die in the NYC demolition
Posted on 4/29/15 at 10:56 am to DelU249
yep, my biggest complaint with American family shows/movies is that death is this big bad thing that cannot be discussed.
It reminds me of the English dragonball Z dub. Aliens arrive unexpectedly and level an entire city "Thank goodness that city was evacuated". An entire air force wing is destroyed "It's ok, we can see their parachutes".
It reminds me of the English dragonball Z dub. Aliens arrive unexpectedly and level an entire city "Thank goodness that city was evacuated". An entire air force wing is destroyed "It's ok, we can see their parachutes".
This post was edited on 4/29/15 at 10:57 am
Posted on 4/29/15 at 12:24 pm to Baloo
quote:
I'm alone on this, but I loved Thor: Dark World for precisely this reason. It made fun of the whole premise. Kat Dennings exists in the film just to keep winking to the audience and say "this is ridiculous, right?" And the final fight scene is quite literally the Scooby Doo running the doors bit.
I find Thor 2 to be a tremendously funny film. Hopefully, that was intentional. But I think it strikes the right tone for a film about Norse gods being real, only space aliens.
As usual, we agree. I think Dark World is highly under-valued in the MCU. I loved it. Maybe not Winter Soldier Level, but certainly right there with IM and Cap 1.
The tone of T:DW was spot on.
Posted on 4/29/15 at 12:24 pm to Baloo
quote:
I do agree we could use some higher stakes in these films. Given that each movie is just another chapter in a continuing story, it gives the titular character narrative immunity (until the actor's contract runs out). We know Iron Man and Cap are safe in Ultron because they are already in the ads for Civil War.
They have also taken back the deaths that did occur. Nick Fury was just faking in Winter Soldier. Groot grows back in GotG. Even Agent Coulson is back on TV. People need to die, and they have to stay dead. I totally agree we need some stakes.
Also, the MCU is largely sexless. There is hardly any sex in this universe, and it could use some. OK, Tony gets it on offscreen, and there's a great line from Starlord about his ship looking like a Jackson Pollock painting under blacklight. But the only character who seems interested in sex who is not portrayed as a cad, is Captain America of all people. His relationship with Black Widow was so interesting precisely because it explored the loneliness of a guy who had been frozen for 50 years and wouldn't mind dating again. And Black Widow was wearing an arrow necklace throughout Winter Soldier, hinting at a relationship with Hawkeye, but again... off screen.
Part of the problem is the dearth of female characters. Black Widow is, right now, the only female super hero on earth in the MCU. And there's Gamora in space, but she's not all that interested in sex either.
God, Captain Marvel cannot get here soon enough. Need to break up the sausage fest.
All of this.
Posted on 4/29/15 at 12:26 pm to DelU249
holy frick man, you need to take a chill pill
you have way too much bitter backed up in your rectum
you have way too much bitter backed up in your rectum
This post was edited on 4/29/15 at 12:26 pm
Posted on 4/29/15 at 12:31 pm to Freauxzen
i'll "third" the thor love. in real time i got roasted for talking about how much i enjoyed it
Posted on 4/29/15 at 12:34 pm to SlowFlowPro
all this time I didn't want to speak up for Thor 2 b/c so many on this board ripped it. I thought I was one of the few that really liked it.
Posted on 4/29/15 at 12:35 pm to Dr RC
I don't agree with all of Mulder's criticisms, but they are certainly are not without merit. If the movies can't withstand critical scrutiny, then that is a flaw in the movie.
I think his issues with the lack of demonstration of the stakes and the lack of sex are both well-taken. I like the Marvel films, but I'm not going to pretend they are perfect, and beyond reproach.
My disagreement is that I think the films have varied in tone enough to not feel like treading the same ground. And while there is some weakness in the big team up film (call it the Crossover), I think Marvel has nailed the individual films. I loved the first Avengers film, but I'm not sure we need to see it again. The big team-up films are, by necessity, going to be a bit cluttered. Civil War can work if it focuses on Cap. Have a ton of characters, but focus on Stark v. Rogers worldviews. But the Avengers has to give everyone their equal time, and also the big set piece battle sequences. I haven't see the film yet, but I am nervous about it.
I think his issues with the lack of demonstration of the stakes and the lack of sex are both well-taken. I like the Marvel films, but I'm not going to pretend they are perfect, and beyond reproach.
My disagreement is that I think the films have varied in tone enough to not feel like treading the same ground. And while there is some weakness in the big team up film (call it the Crossover), I think Marvel has nailed the individual films. I loved the first Avengers film, but I'm not sure we need to see it again. The big team-up films are, by necessity, going to be a bit cluttered. Civil War can work if it focuses on Cap. Have a ton of characters, but focus on Stark v. Rogers worldviews. But the Avengers has to give everyone their equal time, and also the big set piece battle sequences. I haven't see the film yet, but I am nervous about it.
Posted on 4/29/15 at 12:35 pm to DelU249
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Fox Mulder
There are usually 175-200 movies released to theaters every year. Usually you get about 4-5 Comic book movies. (And that seems to be the run rate from now on outside of 2018 which I think will hit 7.)
You're looking at about 2-3% of all films are Comic Book movies.
It really isn't that many.
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blockbuster movies were Jurassic park and titanic. I've had enough of this superhero shite I want to go tell my 16 year old self what a fricking idiot I was because he always said "why don't they do superhero movies"
We've had Fast 7, and have Star Wars, Jurassic Park, Hunger Games, annual Pixar film, Mad Max, Entourage, Terminator, Mission Impossible, Pan, Spectre, Hateful Eight, and a few others.
Think about that, in one year you get a Jurassic Park film, A Star Wars Film, A Terminator Film, a Mad Max, film, and a Mission Impossible film. One year.
Posted on 4/29/15 at 12:36 pm to SlowFlowPro
Holy shite.
SFP and I like the same thing. Thor 2 might be the greatest movie ever by this analysis. We never agree.
SFP and I like the same thing. Thor 2 might be the greatest movie ever by this analysis. We never agree.
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