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re: "Fast Food Workers: You Don’t Deserve $15 an Hour to Flip Burgers and That’s OK"

Posted on 4/16/15 at 9:23 pm to
Posted by bmy
Nashville
Member since Oct 2007
48203 posts
Posted on 4/16/15 at 9:23 pm to
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The entire store will be operated by 2-3 people who all went through the manager schools, all of which will have a degree and get paid decent money.


A more realistic version is this:

Touch screen ordering, with 1 "shift leader" ($9/hr) monitoring the front. Two people in the back working for minimum wage.
Posted by Acadien
Member since Nov 2008
3571 posts
Posted on 4/16/15 at 9:27 pm to
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They don't deserve a salary that allows them to live comfortably. Poverty is a good motivator to do better for yourself, or at least it used to be.


What a wonderful Christian country we live in.

Abolish wage slavery, abolish capitalism, abolish the state. Noam Chomsky will lead us into battle during the anarcho-syndicalist revolution.
Posted by Alleman
St. George
Member since Apr 2013
741 posts
Posted on 4/16/15 at 9:28 pm to
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I chose a career that I knew would for the most part pay me enough to live above the poverty line. 13 years later with a flawless work record, 100s of hours of continuing education and training, and now a fry cook that can barely read or write and on parole wants to be paid almost as much as me


A down vote for this? I hope the mouse jumped or someone has fat fingers. FTfan makes perfect sense with this statement.
Posted by npt817
Prairieville, LA
Member since Sep 2010
1376 posts
Posted on 4/16/15 at 9:33 pm to
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Hard work is a skill.. and being good at fast food is a skill.


Being a hard worker is not a skill it's a trait. And being good at fast food is not a skill it's called doing your job well. And in most instances the ones who do their job well are rewarded with raises. Heck, I remember when I worked at McDonald's they gave people raises for getting good grades in school, regardless of work performance. So if you are a new employee or just ok employee guess what you get minimum wage. If you show you can perform your job above expectations you get raises above minimum wage.
Posted by rintintin
Life is Life
Member since Nov 2008
16194 posts
Posted on 4/16/15 at 9:57 pm to
I guarantee you that if minimum wage is increased and businesses start automating everything, the gov't will step in and make a ridiculous law forcing businesses to have a minimum number of real employees.

I guaran-fricking-tee it. The gov't doesn't care about efficiency.
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
261386 posts
Posted on 4/16/15 at 10:01 pm to
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Don't these morons realize, that if the pay goes up that much, they won't have a job???


If they had that much sense, they wouldn't still be making min. wage.

When the pay for burger flippers goes that high, fast food places will automate.
Posted by FT
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Member since Oct 2003
26925 posts
Posted on 4/16/15 at 10:43 pm to
Has this been posted yet?

Posted by Ace Midnight
Between sanity and madness
Member since Dec 2006
89606 posts
Posted on 4/16/15 at 10:48 pm to
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If their franchises have to pay their employees more, the corporate business will have to charge the franchises less for food, cutting into their profits, in order to share a little bit more of their success with their employees.


You mean McDonald's employees are not allowed to own stock in the company? Weird.
Posted by Swoopin
Member since Jun 2011
22031 posts
Posted on 4/16/15 at 10:51 pm to
This whole debate would end if everyone would just take an intro to microeconomics class.
Posted by LebranfortheJ
Down South
Member since Apr 2015
1 post
Posted on 4/16/15 at 11:03 pm to
frick these greedy pieces of shite.
Posted by FT
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Member since Oct 2003
26925 posts
Posted on 4/16/15 at 11:06 pm to
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LebranfortheJ
Posted by TigerBait2008
Boulder,CO
Member since Jun 2008
32468 posts
Posted on 4/16/15 at 11:13 pm to
Sorry you're poor..
Posted by TigerBait2008
Boulder,CO
Member since Jun 2008
32468 posts
Posted on 4/16/15 at 11:14 pm to
Well hello alter..
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
261386 posts
Posted on 4/16/15 at 11:18 pm to
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Has this been posted yet?


Adjusted for cost of living, it's about equal to $14 US and most McDonalds jobs are part time.

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Posted by theGarnetWay
Washington, D.C.
Member since Mar 2010
25877 posts
Posted on 4/16/15 at 11:23 pm to
I'm not supporting it, I'm saying "guys screw around at work" isn't a fast food exclusive thing.
Posted by jennBN
Member since Jun 2010
3151 posts
Posted on 4/16/15 at 11:32 pm to
I would think as a corporation McDonalds would automate. Corporations usually find away to make up for that profit loss like big tobacco did after all of the law suits. I could be wrong though...I often wonder why places like google, facebook, apple etc don't pack up and leave the bay area just because the work force would cost half as much elsewhere....
Posted by Eurocat
Member since Apr 2004
15049 posts
Posted on 4/16/15 at 11:53 pm to
This has to be a several part project.

1. Raise the wage to 15 dollars.

2. Legislation to outlaw factory like production of food. Say that each meal that is made has to be produced by at least four people (to prevent job losses).

3. Governmental subsidies for franchises in the interim transition period, three years.

4. Introduce an "income cap" for franchises, that no franchisee can make more than 20 times what the lowest paid full time employee makes.

5. Mandatory health care coverage.

Then this can go through.

Just raising a salary to 15 is a shallow attempt to create a just result.
Posted by theantiquetiger
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Member since Feb 2005
19276 posts
Posted on 4/16/15 at 11:57 pm to
Fast food workers should get $15-$20 an hour!!!

But...

Get rid of the waste!

Make the counter user friendly, with touch screen service the customer can use. Automate many of the things in the back, getting rid of many positions.

A McD's could be run by three people, drive thru, cook, and manager.
Posted by HailHailtoMichigan!
Mission Viejo, CA
Member since Mar 2012
69353 posts
Posted on 4/17/15 at 12:16 am to
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Instead, good ole Mickey D's would just have to eat some of the cost. McDonald's turns hundreds of millions of dollars in profit in the US every year, as does Burger King and other fast food chains.
Wage rates are not determined by a company's profit margin. Besides, why do investors who make the stores, equipment, and capital available in the first place deserve the money less than the workers themselves, who have marginal products of labor that are not very high.
Posted by HailHailtoMichigan!
Mission Viejo, CA
Member since Mar 2012
69353 posts
Posted on 4/17/15 at 12:21 am to
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Say that each meal that is made has to be produced by at least four people (to prevent job losses).
This is a terrible waste of labor. Jobs are not the ultimate end of the economy, productivity is.
This post was edited on 4/17/15 at 12:21 am
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