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re: As an athlete, would you choose good contract + a ring or great contract +0 ring
Posted on 3/28/15 at 9:58 am to PeteRose
Posted on 3/28/15 at 9:58 am to PeteRose
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Great contract is top 5% of a particular sport. We are taking about Aaron Rodgers, Kevin Durant money. Good Contract is somebody like Jamal Charles...around 7 mil/year which is still plenty to give a good life 5x. But with less money, you're called a champion the rest of your life. Is it worth it?
So 22 mil/year versus 7 mil/year? Uh, give me 22 mil please. Let's say both contracts were 5 years, that's a 75 mil difference over the life of the contract. Not a chance that I pass that up.
Posted on 3/28/15 at 9:59 am to jeff5891
I'd take the money in a city I like and lead the team deep in the playoffs a few times. Especially if it's football or baseball and we have 9-10 other guys to spread the blame around.
Posted on 3/28/15 at 12:14 pm to Draconian Sanctions
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Just one ring? I'd take the money. If it's 100 million over 7 vs say 28 million over 7, you'd have to chip in 3 or 4 rings and I would have to be the hero in at least one of those seasons for me to even start thinking about it.
Exactly. Taking less to win one ring as a scrub isn't worth it but if I take less to become a legend or at least a great then I'm in because I might have the shot to make that money back in endorsements and post playing opportunities.
Also, it's easier to do in the NBA or MLB because the contracts are guaranteed and even the "mid level" contracts are pretty awesome. I would have to think a lot harder before taking less just to be the 5th DB on the Patriots' 8th Super Bowl.
Posted on 3/28/15 at 12:16 pm to PeteRose
Whichever option gets Ashley Judd on my bandwagon
Posted on 3/28/15 at 12:20 pm to PeteRose
Depends. If I'm a left guard, I want all the money If I'm the QB....well, I still probably want all the money.
If I were a god in basketball though, I think I'd want as many rings as a can. To me, rings in the NBA are special.
ETA: So I'm not the key guy on the championship teams? I'm just some average player being dragged to a ship? frick that give me the money then.
If I were a god in basketball though, I think I'd want as many rings as a can. To me, rings in the NBA are special.
ETA: So I'm not the key guy on the championship teams? I'm just some average player being dragged to a ship? frick that give me the money then.
This post was edited on 3/28/15 at 12:24 pm
Posted on 3/28/15 at 12:21 pm to Jamohn
quote:She a basketball fan?
Whichever option gets Ashley Judd on my bandwagon
Posted on 3/28/15 at 12:25 pm to PeteRose
I would take the ring. Either way you are getting paid very well
Posted on 3/28/15 at 12:29 pm to PeteRose
I'm going to need a dollar figure amount on the difference between "good" and "great"
Posted on 3/28/15 at 12:32 pm to PeteRose
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Great contract is top 5% of a particular sport. We are taking about Aaron Rodgers, Kevin Durant money. Good Contract is somebody like Jamal Charles...around 7 mil/year which is still plenty to give a good life 5x. But with less money, you're called a champion the rest of your life. Is it worth it?
This is really a poor example
Jamal Charles is making top 5 runningback money (or was), it's not feasible for him to make top 5 NFL money because that's not the market of his position
In this example you're basically asking me if is rather be a QB or a RB which obviously I'd pick QB
Posted on 3/28/15 at 1:57 pm to wildtigercat93
I wasn't using position as an example. I was using dollar figures. Jamal Charles is not top 5% in the NFL. Maybe I should've use a basketball player like Pao Gasol as an example.
Posted on 3/28/15 at 1:58 pm to wildtigercat93
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I'm going to need a dollar figure amount on the difference between "good" and "great"
Top 5% would be great. 60th percentile would be good.
Posted on 3/28/15 at 2:03 pm to PeteRose
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I wasn't using position as an example. I was using dollar figures. Jamal Charles is not top 5% in the NFL. Maybe I should've use a basketball player like Pao Gasol as an example.
That works a lot better because how different NBA contracts are structured. NBA has fully guaranteed contracts, which changes the landscape a bit.
Also how are you guaranteeing a ring exactly? You just giving me one or just putting me on a loaded team with a 95% chance of winning? And I'm I completely guaranteed NOT to win one on the more expensive contract? Why is that exactly if so?
Yes I'm nitpicking, but I'm doing it with the point that there are a billion factors in a decision like this and the average fan view of these things are pretty ignorant
Posted on 3/28/15 at 2:15 pm to wildtigercat93
Yeah, it depends on the numbers.
I would take 10 million and no rings over 5 million. But I'd probably take 40 million and a ring over 50 million.
Assuming I'm relatively smart with my money, 40 million + whatever endorsement deals I could get would be more than enough over my and my children's lifetimes.
I would take 10 million and no rings over 5 million. But I'd probably take 40 million and a ring over 50 million.
Assuming I'm relatively smart with my money, 40 million + whatever endorsement deals I could get would be more than enough over my and my children's lifetimes.
This post was edited on 3/28/15 at 2:17 pm
Posted on 3/28/15 at 3:19 pm to PeteRose
Most likely I'd take the larger pile of money. I'd like to hear the definition of good and great money tho.
Minimum wage in the NFL makes you wealthy by normal standards... but even the best position players in the NFL often make a lot less than MLB etc
The cheat answer to this is to be a popular figure who wins a championship and transforms that into a post athletic career that still pays. The other obvious point is if the good contract still paid over 10 million a year and you're playing a sport like baseball where you can have a 15 year career that's better than a great NFL wideout who only lasts seven years.
Minimum wage in the NFL makes you wealthy by normal standards... but even the best position players in the NFL often make a lot less than MLB etc
The cheat answer to this is to be a popular figure who wins a championship and transforms that into a post athletic career that still pays. The other obvious point is if the good contract still paid over 10 million a year and you're playing a sport like baseball where you can have a 15 year career that's better than a great NFL wideout who only lasts seven years.
Posted on 3/28/15 at 3:51 pm to LSU1018
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I think if a good contract is 50 mil and a great contract is 65 mil, I would take the 50mil plus the ring.
You're crazy
Posted on 3/28/15 at 4:19 pm to PeteRose
I wonder how much Dan Marino and Barry Bonds would pay for a ring?
Posted on 3/28/15 at 4:32 pm to wildtigercat93
I think Stephen Curry and John Wall would be a good example of this hypothetical.
Let's say that Curry wins a championship this season, and plays out the rest of his contract (without winning another championship), he retires after this contract.
John Wall plays out this contract and goes to the playoffs every season(never winning a title), he also retires after this contract.
Who would you rather be?
Stephen Curry 4 year 44 million
John Wall 5 year 85 million
Let's say that Curry wins a championship this season, and plays out the rest of his contract (without winning another championship), he retires after this contract.
John Wall plays out this contract and goes to the playoffs every season(never winning a title), he also retires after this contract.
Who would you rather be?
Stephen Curry 4 year 44 million
John Wall 5 year 85 million
Posted on 3/28/15 at 4:55 pm to wildtigercat93
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Also how are you guaranteeing a ring exactly?
guarantee. A ring with all the diamonds and bling with the word "Word Champions"
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And I'm I completely guaranteed NOT to win one on the more expensive contract?
that's right. no ring.
Posted on 3/28/15 at 4:57 pm to Epic Cajun
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Stephen Curry 4 year 44 million
John Wall 5 year 85 million
Curry. He can parlay the championship to write books, TV appearances, speeches, commercials. There is perceived power that goes with being a champion.
Posted on 3/28/15 at 5:35 pm to PeteRose
By "good" contract do you mean 2 million or 10 million? If the later then I'll take the ring. If not, give me the great contract (assuming 40+ million).
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