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re: Ok OT engineers lets help this new generation of Engineers out
Posted on 3/26/15 at 1:28 pm to LSU_Saints_Hornets
Posted on 3/26/15 at 1:28 pm to LSU_Saints_Hornets
Your future looks bright you social butterfly 
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Posted on 3/26/15 at 1:29 pm to FLBooGoTigs1
:|
ETA: hey man frick you!
ETA: hey man frick you!
This post was edited on 3/26/15 at 1:29 pm
Posted on 3/26/15 at 1:30 pm to DownshiftAndFloorIt
Down I like you and you sound like good engineer
Posted on 3/26/15 at 1:33 pm to LSU_Saints_Hornets
All of the engineers we've hired out of school recently have been fantastic and it gives me some hope for the future! I think it starts with these people having some common f'n sense.
I also love getting the ole "I've been doing this for 20 years" line thrown out. Yeah well dude... you been doing it wrong.
I also love getting the ole "I've been doing this for 20 years" line thrown out. Yeah well dude... you been doing it wrong.
Posted on 3/26/15 at 1:35 pm to DownshiftAndFloorIt
I missed that edit son 
Posted on 3/26/15 at 1:45 pm to southernelite
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operator.
He sounds jelly cause the engineers work less than he does and make more money.
Young engineers make less than the operators. With operator overtime it can be quite a bit less.
Posted on 3/26/15 at 1:51 pm to BoostAddict
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BoostAddict
Still hiring, eh?
Posted on 3/26/15 at 1:56 pm to Tigris
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Young engineers make less than the operators. With operator overtime it can be quite a bit less.
When I found this out, I was like...
This is why our parking lot looks like a skyjacker's product catalog. Jacked up F250s and Silverados galore.
Posted on 3/27/15 at 1:00 am to FLBooGoTigs1
Read Dilbert. Unfortunately, it's all true.
Posted on 3/27/15 at 1:53 am to LSU_Saints_Hornets
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This is why our parking lot looks like a skyjacker's product catalog.
It's also why when shite is hitting the fan, engineers are going away from the problem in the plant until it is clear and operators are moving towards it. Not an operator, but they get a bad rap and do more than just sit at a desk watching a screen.
On the subject of new engineers and advice, learn the fittings and what they do. No reason for a person with a 4 year degree to come out into the world and think a 2" 150# flange weighs 150 pounds and needs a support or ask a vendor if a magnetic level gauge can be made in carbon steel. This stuff happens way too often. A lot of the fault is on the curriculum but a lot is on the person not putting forth effort and initiative and actually working in the field to learn more about what they will be doing prior to graduation.
Posted on 3/27/15 at 5:50 am to Scrowe
You guys have an argument when it comes to engineers needing to use common sense and understand the field they work in, but at the same time, you have a skewed view of what an engineering degree is. We don't learn how anything really works, we learn the science behind it.
We don't learn how a piston in an engine works, but thermodynamics teaches us about the energy transfer and efficiency. We don't learn how to run piping in a plant, but we learn about fluid flow/friction/etc. We don't learn about the specific materials used in your field, but we learn how to read tempering charts and how to understand stress strain graphs to determine the modulus of elasticity to understand other mechanical properties. These are just the tip of the ice berg of things you learn.
The degree doesn't care about plants, or the oilfield, or whatever industry you are in. When you come out, no one should expect you to know anything about that. Engineers who think they know are assholes. People who get pissy because this young engineer doesn't know all of this in his first year are also assholes. They didn't know this crap their first year in either. There's just the thing that engineers are given responsibility earlier even though they don't have that experience and that is off-putting to some. But you have to realize there's a lot that they (should) know that goes deeper than the experience. You don't want someone who just knows to use pump x in this scenario. Because if the situation changed and you're faced with something no one's seen before, you need to know the physics behind why you chose that pump and that's where their education comes in.
We don't learn how a piston in an engine works, but thermodynamics teaches us about the energy transfer and efficiency. We don't learn how to run piping in a plant, but we learn about fluid flow/friction/etc. We don't learn about the specific materials used in your field, but we learn how to read tempering charts and how to understand stress strain graphs to determine the modulus of elasticity to understand other mechanical properties. These are just the tip of the ice berg of things you learn.
The degree doesn't care about plants, or the oilfield, or whatever industry you are in. When you come out, no one should expect you to know anything about that. Engineers who think they know are assholes. People who get pissy because this young engineer doesn't know all of this in his first year are also assholes. They didn't know this crap their first year in either. There's just the thing that engineers are given responsibility earlier even though they don't have that experience and that is off-putting to some. But you have to realize there's a lot that they (should) know that goes deeper than the experience. You don't want someone who just knows to use pump x in this scenario. Because if the situation changed and you're faced with something no one's seen before, you need to know the physics behind why you chose that pump and that's where their education comes in.
Posted on 3/27/15 at 7:29 am to FLBooGoTigs1
I am not necessarily an "old engineer," but I have been in the loop for a while now, and you are correct. The guys that show up directly out of college to my company are dill weeds. My first job out of college, if I had free time I was walking around looking at all the pipe work and talking to welders and asking stupid questions. Not enough of that now.
ETA: Full disclosure, I have a CM degree and Dr. Kenshin (may he RIP) taught my class a lot about nomenclature and how actual processes work mechanically speaking. People that were in "actual engineering," at the time made fun of me and said CM wasn't a real engineering degree, but I feel like I got the long end of the stick sometimes in terms of being more "field ready," coming straight out of college.
ETA: Full disclosure, I have a CM degree and Dr. Kenshin (may he RIP) taught my class a lot about nomenclature and how actual processes work mechanically speaking. People that were in "actual engineering," at the time made fun of me and said CM wasn't a real engineering degree, but I feel like I got the long end of the stick sometimes in terms of being more "field ready," coming straight out of college.
This post was edited on 3/27/15 at 7:34 am
Posted on 3/27/15 at 7:34 am to Scrowe
quote:Wait, it doesn't?
No reason for a person with a 4 year degree to come out into the world and think a 2" 150# flange weighs 150 pounds and needs a support
Posted on 3/27/15 at 7:40 am to LikeABaussCat
quote:It's not.
CM wasn't a real engineering degree
Posted on 3/27/15 at 7:43 am to FLBooGoTigs1
Engineer here. First tip: Engineers are terrible to work for. Most have no people skills, and feel they are the smartest human on the planet, despite topping out in a middle management position with some company no one has ever heard of.
Posted on 3/27/15 at 8:00 am to FLBooGoTigs1
Sounds like y'all have a shitty interview and hiring process. Our younger engineers are top notch.
They also probably don't respect you because you are an uneducated plant operator that can't f'ing spell or write a complete sentence who can be replaced with a monkey at the drop of a hat.
They also probably don't respect you because you are an uneducated plant operator that can't f'ing spell or write a complete sentence who can be replaced with a monkey at the drop of a hat.
This post was edited on 3/27/15 at 8:07 am
Posted on 3/27/15 at 8:02 am to The Mick
CM>engineer>operator>contractor
Posted on 3/27/15 at 8:04 am to FLBooGoTigs1
listen to hourly workers? You trying to get my fired? Best way to go over budget on a project is heeding to the demands of hourly workers. They don't pay me to make hourly workers happy. They pay me to make the company money.
Posted on 3/27/15 at 8:06 am to kingbob
I had a few guys I knew in CM (some dropped engineering). I remember some saying it's crazy that the engineering degree is so much harder, yet they are going to make more money than engineers 
.
Don't get me wrong, you can eventually own your own major construction company and be a billionaire, but on the whole, most CM grads I know weren't getting offers left and right to do their dream job.
. Don't get me wrong, you can eventually own your own major construction company and be a billionaire, but on the whole, most CM grads I know weren't getting offers left and right to do their dream job.
Posted on 3/27/15 at 8:06 am to southernelite
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engineers work less.
Where you work where this happens so I can submit a resume?
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