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I know some fans of stealth games like being able to "ghost" the entire game or at least have the option. There are several encounters in TLOU where that's either impossible for plot reasons or very difficult, especially on a first play through.

Like you mention, the generator comes to mind, where you have to make a lot of noise and runners spawn into the area, along with a bloater. On top of that, I always find the part in the sewers with Sam nearly impossible to do without at least alerting a few infected. And the book store is another one that can be tricky because enemies can sometimes see you from the second floor, though that one has so many hiding spots that it's pretty easy to lose any enemies on your tail if you are spotted.

Like Gardoki said, though, it just might not click with some people, and I get that. It took me some getting used to but then I loved it once I got a better feel for how combat flowed (and how useful bricks are).

I was a brick guy until I threw a bottle in someone's face (they scream and talk and you can see the shards in their face) run up and knock them the frick out

It's full of stalkers. They can see and they have heightened senses

It's not hard to get a few but the room has like 15 including a couple of clickers

I finally said frick it, and shot up the room

If you don't want to scavenge, you can just bypass them all. Only strangle a couple

There aren't really any good hiding places and they pick up on you so easily.

I expended all my arrows going through Pittsburgh, but if you kill a couple with head shots, it shouldn't be too difficult to clear the room. It's the one far to the left and immediately to the right that cause problems because they cover the most distance

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I was a brick guy until I threw a bottle in someone's face (they scream and talk and you can see the shards in their face) run up and knock them the frick out

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I prefer bricks since you can kill a clicker with one without having to use a shiv.

I usually run up and kill enemies as soon as I throw a brick or bottle at them, so I never knew hunters did that with bottles. I'll have to watch for that the next time I play through it.

It's also handy if you're looking for a human shield. No fighting necessary, just leave your spot and run and grab your shield

To save shivs I use molotov cocktails

They only hear, so they run right to the fire with no sense of preservation

I can kill 5 at a time with those bad boys

Also will clear out that subway station pretty quickly

Alright, here's my list:
50. The Lord of the Rings: Shadow of Mordor (PS4)
49. The Lord of the Rings: Return of the King (Xbox)
48. Assassin's Creed II (PS3)
47. Dissidia: Final Fantasy (PSP)
46. Muramasa: Demon Blade (Wii)
45. Theatrhythm: Final Fantasy Curtain Call (3DS)
44. Metal Gear Solid 4: Guns of the Patriots (PS4)
43. Gravity Rush (PS Vita)
42. Star Fox 64 (N64)
41. Fire Emblem (GBA)
40. Star Wars: Knights of the Old Republic (Xbox)
39. Red Alert 2 (PC)
38. Elder Scrolls IV: Oblivion (X360)
37. Final Fantasy VII (PS1)
36. Call of Duty: Modern Warfare (360)
35. Final Fantasy XIII-2 (PS3)
34. The Last of Us (PS3)
33. Dark Souls (PS3)
32. Metal Gear Solid 3: Subsistence (PS2)
31. Mario Kart 64 (N64)
30. Gears of War 2 (X360)
29. Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII (PS3)
28. Super Smash Bros. Melee (Cube)
27. Catherine (PS3)
26. Warcraft III: Reign of Chaos (PC)
25. Bayonetta (X360)
24. Halo: Combat Evolved (Xbox)
23. Final Fantasy VIII (PS1)
22. Sonic Adventure 2: Battle (Cube)
21. Valkyria Chronicles 2 (PSP)
20. Jeanne d'arc (PSP)
19. Final Fantasy X-2 (PS2)
18. Super Mario Galaxy (Wii)
17. Bioshock (X360)
16. Final Fantasy XIII (PS3)
15. Tales of Vesperia (X360)
14. Demon's Souls (PS3)
13. Crisis Core: Final Fantasy VII (PSP)
12. Final Fantasy XII (PS2)
11. Uncharted 2: Among Thieves (PS3)
10. Persona 4 Golden (PS Vita)
9. Nier (PS3)
8. Lost Odyssey (X360)
7. Final Fantasy IV (DS)
6. Persona 3 FES (PS2)
5. Valkyria Chronicles (PS3)
4. Phantasy Star Online Episode I & II (Cube)
3. Earthbound (SNES)
2. Final Fantasy X (PS2)
1. Final Fantasy IX (PS1)

My Honorable Mentions outside of the top 50: Uncharted: Drake's Fortune, Drakengard 3, Heavenly Sword, Star Wars Episode 1: Racer, Dead Space, Lolipop Chainsaw, Soul Calibur 2, Prof Layton 1, Batman Arkham Asylum, and Rogue Galaxy. All in order.

I expect my thoughts on FF(13) will be the main difference between myself and others.

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Maybe Sam is the reason they spot me so easily in that room

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I really do think Naughty Dog should have re-worked that room before release. I know they play-test their games obsessively and that's the one area of the game that really stood out as feeling unfair the first time I played it.

Now I just start blasting enemies immediately after I walk past the gate and it works pretty well for clearing most of them out.

I want to replay that room with a bow and arrow and I bet I could stealth kill almost everything in that room

On another note, use a Molotov on a bloater and they're not such an ammo waste after that. You can see the plates burn of and you just hit them 2 or 3 times with a shotgun in the chest...down

I go past every bloater I can though