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Did NFL Cop Feel of Colts' Balls, Too?
Posted on 1/21/15 at 6:49 am
Posted on 1/21/15 at 6:49 am
Did the sample set include game balls used by the Colts? If not, it would be hard to rule out these variables:
1. Usual/Unusual deflation caused by common weather/atmoshphereic conditions.
2. Improper initial application and verification of inflation standard by NFL Officials prior to the game - up to and including whether NFL Officials' equipment was properly calibrated.
3. Finally, were further causality factors, such as usage patterns taken into account? For example, NE used it's game-approved footballs far more than did the Colts: greater time of possession = more scores/handling/spikes, etc.
1-2 lbs psi: Is it 1 or is it 2 and how big are the differences between 1 and 1 lbs psi when it comes to application, really? Any definitive study on that? In other words, maybe it's quite normal for a well used NFL game ball to lose a pound during such use and conditions.
Again, has any controlled comparison been made with the Colts' game balls?
This story is horse shite to me until provided real answers to the questions above. Beyond that, it's sore-loser speculative hype.
1. Usual/Unusual deflation caused by common weather/atmoshphereic conditions.
2. Improper initial application and verification of inflation standard by NFL Officials prior to the game - up to and including whether NFL Officials' equipment was properly calibrated.
3. Finally, were further causality factors, such as usage patterns taken into account? For example, NE used it's game-approved footballs far more than did the Colts: greater time of possession = more scores/handling/spikes, etc.
1-2 lbs psi: Is it 1 or is it 2 and how big are the differences between 1 and 1 lbs psi when it comes to application, really? Any definitive study on that? In other words, maybe it's quite normal for a well used NFL game ball to lose a pound during such use and conditions.
Again, has any controlled comparison been made with the Colts' game balls?
This story is horse shite to me until provided real answers to the questions above. Beyond that, it's sore-loser speculative hype.
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Posted on 1/21/15 at 6:50 am to Knight of Old
Yes. /thread.
Posted on 1/21/15 at 6:52 am to Knight of Old
The colts ball were fondeled
Posted on 1/21/15 at 6:54 am to Knight of Old
It wasn't even that cold at kickoff, definitely not cold enough to account for a 16% decrease in the pressure. The usage pattern argument is weak.
And if this wasn't legit there would be no damn way the NFL would be going through this right before the Super Bowl.
And if this wasn't legit there would be no damn way the NFL would be going through this right before the Super Bowl.
Posted on 1/21/15 at 6:55 am to PrimeTime Money
quote:Trapped by bias: Checked but no provision of response to any of the stated questions or premises.
Yes. /thread.
Posted on 1/21/15 at 6:59 am to Knight of Old
Why do keep starting threads about touching balls?
Posted on 1/21/15 at 7:00 am to BayouBandit24
quote:Substantiate.
It wasn't even that cold at kickoff, definitely not cold enough to account for a 16% decrease in the pressure.
quote:Based upon what set of facts?
The usage pattern argument is weak.
All I'm saying is let's counter the accusation with some facts: where is the empirical evidence that makes the starting point rule (standard inflation specifications) anything other than arbitrary to begin with?
Do we even have some kind of legitimate proof that using a ball inflated 1 lb psi less than standard increased the likelihood of certain outcomes?
Of course we don't - and that's only one reason the whole story is so much horse shite.
Posted on 1/21/15 at 7:00 am to Knight of Old
Your team cheated. Again. Deal with it.
Posted on 1/21/15 at 7:04 am to TN Bhoy
quote:FIFY.
Your team won. Again.
Posted on 1/21/15 at 7:06 am to Knight of Old
quote:
Do we even have some kind of legitimate proof that using a ball inflated 1 lb psi less than standard increased the likelihood of certain outcomes?
Not the point. There are certain rules that the Pats knowingly violated. Cheating is cheating.
Posted on 1/21/15 at 7:13 am to BayouBandit24
quote:
There are certain rules that the Pats knowingly violated.
quote:That's exactly my point: I challenge the premise that there is definitive evidence of anything other than natural causes (ineffective management by NFL Officials, usage conditions, etc.).
Not the point. There are certain rules that the Pats knowingly violated.
quote:And another thing - I'm sure everyone always follows the exact speed limit at all times because that is such an easy standard to understand and apply.
Cheating is cheating.
Posted on 1/21/15 at 7:21 am to Knight of Old
quote:
That's exactly my point: I challenge the premise that there is definitive evidence of anything other than natural causes (ineffective management by NFL Officials, usage conditions, etc.).
The NFL has been playing games in cold weather for almost a 100 years. They have the regulations to account for it and it is the team's responsibility to maintain the proper psi in the balls. One or 2 balls under pressure is just a ball boy that can't keep up the weather, but all but one is either incompetence or manipulation that GAVE THE PATS AN UNFAIR ADVANTAGE and given Bellichick's history I am going with manipulation.
Posted on 1/21/15 at 7:21 am to Knight of Old
Are you comparing this to individuals speeding?
Posted on 1/21/15 at 7:30 am to Knight of Old
This is such a farce. One, an nfl official almost always have their hands on the balls at the beginning and end of every play. These guys handle balls all the time and at record levels on Monday night. Could they not tell the difference?
Two, an nfl rep should be checking these things throughout the games. They have their 53 man rosters of geezers on the sidelines pretending to be an integral part of the NFL group. Hang a pressure guage from their whistle and let them check during the endless tv timeouts.
Three, is the NFL too poor to supply their own balls? Granted, Roger doesn't have is own pair but this seems like the local gym supplying ten year old basketballs so members bring their own. NFL should supply them.
Again, the colts weren't winning period and Belichick runs his equipment room like a nascar pit crew. In it to win it.
Two, an nfl rep should be checking these things throughout the games. They have their 53 man rosters of geezers on the sidelines pretending to be an integral part of the NFL group. Hang a pressure guage from their whistle and let them check during the endless tv timeouts.
Three, is the NFL too poor to supply their own balls? Granted, Roger doesn't have is own pair but this seems like the local gym supplying ten year old basketballs so members bring their own. NFL should supply them.
Again, the colts weren't winning period and Belichick runs his equipment room like a nascar pit crew. In it to win it.
This post was edited on 1/21/15 at 7:34 am
Posted on 1/21/15 at 7:34 am to Knight of Old
quote:They were caught warming up the balls on video.
: I challenge the premise that there is definitive evidence of anything other than natural causes
Posted on 1/21/15 at 7:34 am to WeeWee
quote:On the basis of what set of FACTS?
GAVE THE PATS AN UNFAIR ADVANTAGE
Don't see a lot of facts here except that some game balls MAY have been under-inflated to specification (No official NFL report, yet.)
And where are the FACTS that even prove it provided and unfair advantage?
The rule is important in its intent: to create the so-called 'even playing field'. However, it's arbitrary and can be changed like any set of rules.
My point continues to be: where are the PROOFS/FACTS that show anything improper happened outside of probabilities that have not been ruled out: poor management by NFL Officials, weather/usage conditions, etc, etc.?
Looks more like a hyped narrative feeding fuel to bunches of Patriots-haters and sore-losers, than anything else.
Caveat: We all know the NFL can and will do anything they want with this. I just don't see, yet, where any action they take could be traced back to real evidence of much of anything other than a couple of data points plucked out of all context.
Posted on 1/21/15 at 7:36 am to bamafan425
quote:No.
Are you comparing this to individuals speeding?
Just saying NFL game ball inflation standards probably have lower tolerances than traffic speed enforcement. Posted on 1/21/15 at 7:37 am to Knight of Old
quote:
On the basis of what set of FACTS?
the freaking rules of the NFL
The NFL claimed that the Saints bounties gave them an unfair advantage and player safety for bounty gate. The same standard has to be applied here, especially since the coach has already been caught cheating once (he has lost the benefit of the doubt).
Posted on 1/21/15 at 7:37 am to GreatLakesTiger24
quote:Heat would ADD pressure.
They were caught warming up the balls on video.
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