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Did Obama just troll the GOP?
Posted on 11/24/14 at 8:24 am
Posted on 11/24/14 at 8:24 am
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When the Obama administration last week began the process of preparing the media and the public about the president’s plan to unilaterally suspend deportation for millions of illegal immigrants, it did not go to a Latino outlet like Univision. It did not communicate to the liberal base via the Huffington Post or even old standbys like the New York Times and the Washington Post. The “exclusive” went to Fox News.
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The reaction on Fox was what you would expect: pure outrage. Charles Krauthammer slammed the plan that day as an “impeachable offense,” and the following night he compared President Barack Obama to a Venezuelan “caudillo.” Bill O’Reilly accused Obama of wanting to “tear the country apart politically” and, the following night, of “subverting the Constitution and law.” Fox personalities quickly began musing about possible retaliatory measures like blocking all presidential nominees and defunding the entire Justice Department.
And now, we hear, the president plans to announce his decision Thursday, despite pleas even from Senate Democrats who would like him to wait until they can pass an omnibus spending bill and avert any shutdown threat. If he wanted to, of course, the president could minimize the risk of a disruption in government funding by simply waiting until the Dec. 11 deadline for the expiration of the latest spending bill. Obama is under pressure to make the move sooner from Hispanic lobbies and others who are angry with him for delaying until after the midterms. But it is very possible that the president has another motive as well: blowing up the GOP.
Politico
Bottom line: Republicans won't be able to come up with a cogent, unified immigration policy. They will not pass a bill. This will force GOP candidates to take a terrible position in the primary on immigration.
a.) anti-immigration reform: you can win primary but guaranteed to lose general*
b.) pro-immigration reform: you could possibly win general but there's no way you're winning the primary.
*NOTE: If current trends hold (according to a report I heard on XM radio POTUS channel last weekend), the GOP will have to win 65% of the white vote to win the presidency in 2016....which is not going to happen...especially after they make fools of themselves on immigration. The white vote was 59% for Romney and 55% for McCain.
I'm not crazy about EAs but republicans could pass a bill and come out on top....but they won't.
Posted on 11/24/14 at 8:26 am to a want
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This will force GOP candidates to take a terrible position in the primary on immigration.
You mean like build a fence, secure the border, and stop paying out billions in welfare to these illegals for their votes -- like the vast majority of Americans want???
Posted on 11/24/14 at 8:32 am to a want
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Did Obama just troll America
been doing that for 6 yrs now
Posted on 11/24/14 at 8:33 am to a want
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Republicans won't be able to come up with a cogent, unified immigration policy.
According to who, Obama? Compromise means both sides willing to give and get. When was the last time Obama did that on such a big issue like immigration.
What's funny to me is Obama wants to tackle and make decisions on social subjects that affect small percentages of people but he doesn't know how to handle the big ticket items that affect us all.
Posted on 11/24/14 at 8:35 am to a want
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Did Obama just troll the GOP?
Frankly, I'd settle for a POTUS who'd just do his job as described, rather than one who's obsessively preoccupied with being a childish troll.
Of course, I realize that this is what passes for leadership among your ilk, so no surprise you'd celebrate such behavior.
This post was edited on 11/24/14 at 8:36 am
Posted on 11/24/14 at 8:35 am to a want
Yep...looks like he may have.
The immigration reform thing could be a win for whichever party does it in reasonable way. Unfortunately BHO wants to give this group of people amnesty AND benefits. We can't afford both.
The immigration reform thing could be a win for whichever party does it in reasonable way. Unfortunately BHO wants to give this group of people amnesty AND benefits. We can't afford both.
Posted on 11/24/14 at 8:36 am to a want
Saul Alinsky teaches that the best way to smash traditional America is to find wedge issues, divide and conquer.
That's what Obama's doing. As a subversive, he's very subtle and sometimes effective.
He's perfect for the Left, because, at heart, Leftists are subversive malcontents who want to see "straight society" burn.
That's what Obama's doing. As a subversive, he's very subtle and sometimes effective.
He's perfect for the Left, because, at heart, Leftists are subversive malcontents who want to see "straight society" burn.
Posted on 11/24/14 at 8:36 am to a want
No doubt he did. Great job of it too.
Posted on 11/24/14 at 8:36 am to a want
Jimmies are definitely rustled over at FNC.
Posted on 11/24/14 at 8:37 am to a want
Honestly that's pretty funny if true
Posted on 11/24/14 at 8:39 am to a want
I refuse to applaud politics as usual.
Good lord man. Simply wanting to secure the border to shut down illegal crossings isn't anti-immigration
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anti-immigration reform:
Good lord man. Simply wanting to secure the border to shut down illegal crossings isn't anti-immigration
Posted on 11/24/14 at 8:44 am to a want
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And now, we hear, the president plans to announce his decision Thursday, despite pleas even from Senate Democrats who would like him to wait until they can pass an omnibus spending bill and avert any shutdown threat. If he wanted to, of course, the president could minimize the risk of a disruption in government funding by simply waiting until the Dec. 11 deadline for the expiration of the latest spending bill. Obama is under pressure to make the move sooner from Hispanic lobbies and others who are angry with him for delaying until after the midterms. But it is very possible that the president has another motive as well: blowing up the GOP
Yeah, his plan is to just let the GOP make fools of themselves again. It happens everytime they are under pressure. Good strategy really.
Posted on 11/24/14 at 8:47 am to a want
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It did not communicate to the liberal base via the Huffington Post or even old standbys like the New York Times and the Washington Post. The “exclusive” went to Fox News.
Somewhat amusing.
Childish, unproductive, and purely designed to make partisans cheer... but still, somewhat amusing.
Posted on 11/24/14 at 8:50 am to a want
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NOTE: If current trends hold (according to a report I heard on XM radio POTUS channel last weekend), the GOP will have to win 65% of the white vote to win the presidency in 2016....
The GOP will never win another election again unless they begin to adopt the advice of democratic strategist, right?
Posted on 11/24/14 at 8:54 am to a want
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b.) pro-immigration reform: you could possibly win general but there's no way you're winning the primary.
A comprehensive plan that secures the border first, implements a robust temporary worker program, with e-Verify and stiff penalties on employers, severe restriction on entitlements, EITC, education access, and pretty much a ban on the guest workers having family here, combined with an end to birthright citizenship for children born to illegals (or guest workers) is a winnable platform at either the primary or general election, IMHO.
We're a nation of legal immigrants, not invaders. If we simultaneously recognize the desire of the portion of this population to work, employers' need for their services, the fact they're being exploited now, and the unsustainability of unfettered, unlimited illegal immigration on our health care, education and entitlement system, a rational solution, even complicated, will resonate with voters in 2016.
Yes, I really believe this and I believe it will be the default position (or something along very similar lines) for most GOP candidates on immigration.
Posted on 11/24/14 at 8:55 am to a want
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If current trends hold
This includes if the Republican candidate can't make any gains in the AA and Hispanic vote.
As for the 65%, the mid-term election was pretty close to that.
Posted on 11/24/14 at 8:56 am to a want
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the GOP will have to win 65% of the white vote to win the presidency in 2016....which is not going to happen...especially after they make fools of themselves on immigration. The white vote was 59% for Romney and 55% for McCain.
That's bad news, because there are no potential Republican candidates as white as Romney or McCain.
Ironic that the Republicans will wind up losing because they aren't white enough. Hilarious, too.
Posted on 11/24/14 at 8:57 am to a want
quote:Barack Obama trolls the GOP just by existing.
Did Obama just troll the GOP?
South Park said it best, when Cartman was writing books about the school president.
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Cartman: Did you like my book?
Butters: Oh you bet! I love all the stuff you said about how our school president never does anything, and how she's changing everything!
This board is basically just a bunch of Cartmans and Butters running around getting alternately mad and scared. And I love it so, so much.
Posted on 11/24/14 at 9:13 am to a want
I think OP is underestimating how fed up white Americans are with the pandering to minorities.
Posted on 11/24/14 at 9:32 am to a want
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Did Obama just troll the GOP?
Yes, yes he did.
Now the challenge will be to fire back in a strategic way.
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