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When do you trust the government and why?
Posted on 9/23/14 at 8:26 pm
Posted on 9/23/14 at 8:26 pm
This isn't meant as some gotcha or should be seen as anyway partisan.
My question is, what are your criteria for when you trust what they are telling you?
For example, some people immediately dismiss financial reports from government agencies, but they fully trust the military and what they are telling us.
Some people immediately disregard government agencies in regards to climate change, yet they fully trust the pentagon.
Some people distrusted the pentagon before, yet they fully trust them now.
Why is this? Why do certain agencies earn your trust, yet not others? Why did you disregard certain agencies before, yet believe them now?
The only agency I actually trust is the CDC. It appears to be the least partisan and the least influenced by politics.
My question is, what are your criteria for when you trust what they are telling you?
For example, some people immediately dismiss financial reports from government agencies, but they fully trust the military and what they are telling us.
Some people immediately disregard government agencies in regards to climate change, yet they fully trust the pentagon.
Some people distrusted the pentagon before, yet they fully trust them now.
Why is this? Why do certain agencies earn your trust, yet not others? Why did you disregard certain agencies before, yet believe them now?
The only agency I actually trust is the CDC. It appears to be the least partisan and the least influenced by politics.
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Posted on 9/23/14 at 8:28 pm to Scruffy
I trust everything government tells me. Why would they lie?
Posted on 9/23/14 at 8:29 pm to Scruffy
I trust them unt TXtiger tells me not to
Posted on 9/23/14 at 8:34 pm to Scruffy
I work for them Trust me, trust nothing.
Posted on 9/23/14 at 8:35 pm to Scruffy
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Why is this? Why do certain agencies earn your trust, yet not others? Why did you disregard certain agencies before, yet believe them now?
People trust things that align with their preconceived notions, and vice versa.
Posted on 9/23/14 at 8:38 pm to Scruffy
Probably the best quote regarding this
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Throughout human history, as our species has faced the frightening, terrorizing fact that we do not know who we are, or where we are going in this ocean of chaos, it has been the authorities — the political, the religious, the educational authorities — who attempted to comfort us by giving us order, rules, regulations, informing — forming in our minds — their view of reality. To think for yourself you must question authority and learn how to put yourself in a state of vulnerable open-mindedness, chaotic, confused vulnerability to inform yourself.i
Posted on 9/23/14 at 8:44 pm to Scruffy
When would I have a choice to trust them and what influence do I have over it? There are always unseen agendas. Not all of them are harmful. You can vote out politicians but not the bureaucrats that continue in the employ of government regardless of the political leanings of the administration.
I take it on a case by case basis.
I take it on a case by case basis.
Posted on 9/23/14 at 8:49 pm to Scruffy
Our government is not perfect, but for the most part, works for our best interests. Quite often, the complaining and allegations of conspiracy theories is over the top, but it's this freedom to question things that helps preserve the great opportunity we have to live in this country.
This post was edited on 9/23/14 at 8:51 pm
Posted on 9/23/14 at 8:59 pm to Scruffy
quote:
This isn't meant as some gotcha or should be seen as anyway partisan.
My question is, what are your criteria for when you trust what they are telling you?
For example, some people immediately dismiss financial reports from government agencies, but they fully trust the military and what they are telling us.
Some people immediately disregard government agencies in regards to climate change, yet they fully trust the pentagon.
Some people distrusted the pentagon before, yet they fully trust them now.
Why is this? Why do certain agencies earn your trust, yet not others? Why did you disregard certain agencies before, yet believe them now?
The only agency I actually trust is the CDC. It appears to be the least partisan and the least influenced by politics.
For the most part I don't think the stories are complete fabrications but I think there are big components of the story that are left out. What is left unsaid with most of the reports are our motives and long term strategies. Here is where most of the deception by omission takes place. We just assume that our motives are ernest and altruistic and as a result we become willing victims.
Posted on 9/23/14 at 9:03 pm to Scruffy
I have done a complete 180 in my life about that very question. I used to believe that government (just a collection of politicians and bureaucrats) always truly had the best interest of the citizens it serves at heart.
Now, no matter the person in government, my first instinct is ALWAYS "I don't trust that mother fricker".
Oh, and why don't I trust them? Because every single "solution" seems to be, in some way, "more government".
Now, no matter the person in government, my first instinct is ALWAYS "I don't trust that mother fricker".
Oh, and why don't I trust them? Because every single "solution" seems to be, in some way, "more government".
This post was edited on 9/23/14 at 9:07 pm
Posted on 9/23/14 at 9:29 pm to Scruffy
I trust the government when they say I will go to jail if I don't pay taxes.
Posted on 9/23/14 at 9:31 pm to Scruffy
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or should be seen as anyway partisan.
claim non-partisan all you want, we know you're 'bi'
Posted on 9/23/14 at 10:14 pm to Scruffy
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The only agency I actually trust is the CDC. It appears to be the least partisan and the least influenced by politics.
One of the very first things Obama did as POTUS was to fire the director of the CDC. The CDC is tainted just like all the rest of it.
Posted on 9/24/14 at 5:31 am to Scruffy
I always trust Government, which is made up of people and subject to their frailties, to do what humans do and that is put forth their individual needs and agendas first.
I am always skeptical of anything I hear out of government. I have very seldom been wrong to be skeptical (I can't think of a single time in 49 years).
I grew up in the 70's when no one trusted the man....everyone was skeptical (pop-culture of the period is chock-a-bock full of examples of this)....and politicians and government had to work hard to stay out of trouble with the governed. Now as long as the politician has the right letter nest to their name (R or D) they are allowed much more leeway. They know it and take full advantage....
I am always skeptical of anything I hear out of government. I have very seldom been wrong to be skeptical (I can't think of a single time in 49 years).
I grew up in the 70's when no one trusted the man....everyone was skeptical (pop-culture of the period is chock-a-bock full of examples of this)....and politicians and government had to work hard to stay out of trouble with the governed. Now as long as the politician has the right letter nest to their name (R or D) they are allowed much more leeway. They know it and take full advantage....
Posted on 9/24/14 at 6:49 am to Scruffy
Honestly, I trust that they will pick up the trash (at some point). This is about it.
Posted on 9/24/14 at 8:59 am to Scruffy
Honestly, never.
I never trust anything they say or do. Because history has shown that nearly 99% of shite they do or say is a lie.
I never trust anything they say or do. Because history has shown that nearly 99% of shite they do or say is a lie.
Posted on 9/24/14 at 9:42 am to Scruffy
I don't fully trust any part of government. I suppose by default I trust the FDA on some level for some foods and medication. Also, I have to somewhat trust the NTSA that I will cross a bridge without it collapsing.
I don't trust any politician or any govt rep's worlds
I don't trust any politician or any govt rep's worlds
Posted on 9/24/14 at 10:17 am to Scruffy
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The only agency I actually trust is the CDC
The CDC has been attempting for quite some time to get guns categorized as a disease.
Posted on 9/24/14 at 12:13 pm to Scruffy
I trust nothing they say. I only rely on the government when i\the government gives me no other alternatives. I make sure to get every important statement from the government in writing with a name attached for accountability. That way when they say "we never told you that", I can say "yes you did, on this date, at this time, from this person, and here's my acquiesced request for information confirming this to be correct"
You have to treat the government like a pathological lire and pit different wings of the government against one another. The number one thing a government bureaucrat cares about is not looking bad to his boss and/or looking good so he can steal his/her boss's job. If any modicum of effort is required of them, they won't do it without that carrot. If no effort is required, they might do it if they're in a good mood.
You have to treat the government like a pathological lire and pit different wings of the government against one another. The number one thing a government bureaucrat cares about is not looking bad to his boss and/or looking good so he can steal his/her boss's job. If any modicum of effort is required of them, they won't do it without that carrot. If no effort is required, they might do it if they're in a good mood.
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