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re: "Harris did it vs. a prevent defense"
Posted on 9/22/14 at 8:50 pm to justustm2
Posted on 9/22/14 at 8:50 pm to justustm2
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Read the quote in my post
Yeah, that was my quote. His second touchdown pass to Dupre that was a 50-50 ball. Dupre wasn't even in the area of the Hail Mary. It was Quinn, Dural, and Diarse.
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Posted on 9/22/14 at 8:51 pm to Powerman
I think Harris is better, but I'm still not confident that he will fix the offense. He has yet to see a teams best defense.
Posted on 9/22/14 at 8:53 pm to justustm2
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Then "we" are numbnuts if we get upset over a hail mary interception on the last play of the game where the QB has to rush his throw because a d-lineman is applying pressure.
Pretty sure that's not the play being referenced, as Quinn was the closest receiver for the Hail Mary. Might be meaning the touchdown pass to Dupre.
Posted on 9/22/14 at 8:53 pm to Mohican
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Harris did absolutely make the plays, but when a quarterback KNOWS he has time to see the field, it is MUCH easier for him to execute. INFINITELY so.
No one was arguing that point. The statement was made to the effect that the prevent is not designed to stop deep throws and that is incorrect. Harris is inexperienced and maybe he doesn't throw well under duress but I think it's getting to be time we find out. Time to run more 3 WR sets; spread that damn defense out and give our talented backs some running room, especially after you hit a few first down passes. We're supposed to be great next year but we won't be if we don't start working on it this year IMHO.
Posted on 9/22/14 at 8:54 pm to catholictigerfan
Miles says that when there's "a separation" there at QB it will be noticed and changes made.
Posted on 9/22/14 at 8:54 pm to catholictigerfan
Who would do better against an opposing team's best defense?
I'll take the more talented guy over the game manager. Our offense needs a play maker in the worst way. Jennings isn't that guy.
I'll take the more talented guy over the game manager. Our offense needs a play maker in the worst way. Jennings isn't that guy.
Posted on 9/22/14 at 9:01 pm to PortCityTiger24
Rewatching parts of the game, I think Harris has to be the guy going forward. I guess you worry that he's going to turn out like Jarrett Lee, but Jennings was completely ineffective. I think the best throw I saw from him was that drop by Dural in the 2nd quarter.
Posted on 9/22/14 at 9:01 pm to Powerman
He was not getting the same pressure Jennings had to manage early in the game. Don't get me wrong, he still did great.
Harris has better leadership skills and instincts suited for this team at this time. It may be a little too risky to start him. Bottom line is he is a true freshman and still has to mature. Honestly I feel this way about the whole team. Next year will be our year! This is a rebuilding year.
It's too early to give up and I know our tigers will continue to fight. They'll grow and hell they are stronger because of this game. The coaches do need to change our schemes to better match this young lean speedy team. Not saying we turn into an Oregon, but more gun then run would be appreciated.
Harris has better leadership skills and instincts suited for this team at this time. It may be a little too risky to start him. Bottom line is he is a true freshman and still has to mature. Honestly I feel this way about the whole team. Next year will be our year! This is a rebuilding year.
It's too early to give up and I know our tigers will continue to fight. They'll grow and hell they are stronger because of this game. The coaches do need to change our schemes to better match this young lean speedy team. Not saying we turn into an Oregon, but more gun then run would be appreciated.
Posted on 9/22/14 at 9:04 pm to justustm2
I think most posts are likely all somewhat correct.
Harris looked great.
Their DBs were playing off.
WRs got open anyway with pocket time.
The MSU DL prolly covered up a mediocre secondary most of the game.
MSU fan said Merlins put some starters back in after the score closed to 5.
Harris looked great.
Their DBs were playing off.
WRs got open anyway with pocket time.
The MSU DL prolly covered up a mediocre secondary most of the game.
MSU fan said Merlins put some starters back in after the score closed to 5.
Posted on 9/22/14 at 9:14 pm to Mayhawman
It's not about the defense MSU was playing or our OLine play. It's about reads, progressions, throwing ability and running ability.
Harris is faster and more agile and runs hard, I feel he is more of threat running than Jennings.
Jennings had a lot of plays were he had time and just made pitiful throws and poor reads. He has that lockon mentality. He absolutely left a lot of good plays on the field with his poor throws.
Harris has a live arm and showed he can sling it. He made some good throws on some over the middle stuff to Quinn, a screen play that we actually executed great for the first time and a hell of an out patter over one defender to our receiver with a defender behind him.
Harris did whiff on the ball to Diarse but I would rather sacrifice a deep ball occasionally if it means we can move the ball.
My point is Harris should start, and AJ could make a great backup.
Harris is faster and more agile and runs hard, I feel he is more of threat running than Jennings.
Jennings had a lot of plays were he had time and just made pitiful throws and poor reads. He has that lockon mentality. He absolutely left a lot of good plays on the field with his poor throws.
Harris has a live arm and showed he can sling it. He made some good throws on some over the middle stuff to Quinn, a screen play that we actually executed great for the first time and a hell of an out patter over one defender to our receiver with a defender behind him.
Harris did whiff on the ball to Diarse but I would rather sacrifice a deep ball occasionally if it means we can move the ball.
My point is Harris should start, and AJ could make a great backup.
Posted on 9/22/14 at 9:16 pm to WalkingTurtles
OP makes a good point. Prevent defense is designed to allow short passes but not the deep play. Harris was making the deep plays.
This post was edited on 9/22/14 at 9:17 pm
Posted on 9/22/14 at 9:28 pm to Mickey Goldmill
Rewatching now. Yeah those are insane throws by Harris. I DGAF what's what. Insane.
Posted on 9/22/14 at 9:29 pm to Dead Mike
I agree. Let Harris take his lumps this year. His productivity can help make up for his rookie mistakes. Jennings' productivity is essentially nill at this point, and that was a weak secondary he was facing. I don't see the point in continuing to force the issue with him as he is clearly not the future at QB. Let Harris establish his rapport with those awesome skill players. What he's shown in very limited time is promising.
Posted on 9/22/14 at 9:30 pm to tigerfan in bamaland
quote:also people saying he had all day to throw, in the gif he took less then 3 seconds to let go of the ball.
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Posted on 9/22/14 at 9:36 pm to WalkingTurtles
Not disagreeing about Harris talent, but some conditions are easier for reads/progressions than others. What you saw in first half was nothing like the 7 on 7 end of 4th qtr.
Harris will be good, but could hardly run the O vs ULM and I'd have liked to see him come in to start the 3rd to see how he handled it.
Harris will be good, but could hardly run the O vs ULM and I'd have liked to see him come in to start the 3rd to see how he handled it.
Posted on 9/23/14 at 5:02 am to Sasquatch Smash
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That was the backup center that tried to deep snap the ball to the Prescott, sssoooo................
Are you trying to be stupid on purpose? You know damn well I was talking about the DBs when we got the ball after the fumble.
Posted on 9/23/14 at 5:18 am to Mohican
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Take that gif on page 1 for example. That is a great throw by Harris, but against one of the most BASIC COVERAGES a quarterback can see. This is a throw that high school QB's practice making over and over... the soft spot in a cover 2 or 3 zone. Every quarterback KNOWS it's there, behind the linebackers and in front of the DB's.
The seahawks run a pretty basic cover 3 scheme with very little blitzing. While QB's may know where the opening is, it is a throw that very few people on this planet can make
This post was edited on 9/23/14 at 5:41 am
Posted on 9/23/14 at 5:30 am to Mohican
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Take that gif on page 1 for example. That is a great throw by Harris, but against one of the most BASIC COVERAGES a quarterback can see. This is a throw that high school QB's practice making over and over... the soft spot in a cover 2 or 3 zone. Every quarterback KNOWS it's there, behind the linebackers and in front of the DB's.
Are you for real?
That's the hardest throw to make in football... But high school kids are making that throw all day long.... Right... Right.
Ball on left hash, WR runs a 21yd deep out to the other side line, and it was against 2 DBs not a DB and a LB, and Harris has the arm strength and confidence to step into that throw and make a perfect pass between the 2 DBs. As a true freshman in a huge moment. Fact: Jennings throws that ball, it gets picked. He just doesn't have the arm.
And we actually had open guys running across the middle and on the underneath stuff a good bit vs MSU. Jennings just only looks for the deep ball. There were a handful of 3rd and 5ish and we had guys open and would have got the 1st for us, but Jennings just never sees them and throws up a prayer deep. He really struggles making his reads and progression and finding an open receiver. It's either Dural deep, or he looks for run(not that great at that either). And part of the reason he had so much pressure is because he only looks deep for Dural, which takes longer to develop so he has to hold onto it longer.
This post was edited on 9/23/14 at 6:05 am
Posted on 9/23/14 at 5:50 am to Powerman
Prevent defenses are designed to take away the deep ball and give up short to intermediate yardage. The points were in junk time but honestly how jennings was playing do you believe he would have made those throws or scored 2 touchdowns in 2 minutes. We have seen jennings struggle to complete passes against iowa...wisconsin...ulm....and now msu. He is not a helluva scrambler so that dynamic is minimized as well.
Posted on 9/23/14 at 6:02 am to Powerman
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Harris did it vs. a prevent defense
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I don't understand this argument.
If Harris ever gets the chance to start he won't miss another snap. AJ will be a clip board holder the rest of his career.
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