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re: Update: Jennings was never higher than 7th in SEC Passer Rating (RAT)
Posted on 9/14/14 at 2:38 am to jmarto1
Posted on 9/14/14 at 2:38 am to jmarto1
Yes and it does not help at all when the coach for Sam Houston has a press conference whining about how we humiliated him and his team of helpless boys on national TV. I am and always have been afraid that Les was taught to take a 3 to 10 pt win and kneel in Victory to respect the opponent. I think he started doing that last yr in one game with about 8 minutes left on the clock and it humiliated the other coach. We won and lost too many games by less than 4 pts.
Meanwhile Art Briles at Baylor says 40 pts is not a lead and measures success by how many 70 and 80 pt games he has and expects to score on every possession. A lot has been made of the teams pitching shut outs and we were back in the news tonight for our second for the first time in a long time.
I liked the pace and energy of the Sam Houston game and last year I liked the hurry up offense we ran. It seems that we are slowing down more and more because they do not have plays called in advance. Tonight we could have scored more points and at least the offense was actually blocking and not just standing around when the play was not designed to go in their direction.
Right now our defense is credited for roughly 50% of our pts, so DBU is back, but the offense does not have pace and rhythm, not compared to Baylor and A&M. They already have 2000 yds of offense after 3 games. Briles and Sumlin both worked at Houston. Watching their offense with 4-5 WRs, 2 outside the right and left hash, stretching from sideline to sideline, operating with just the QB in the shotgun and him taking off through the giant holes and running for a score is mesmerizing. Their D is the same. They try and score on every play.
Meanwhile Art Briles at Baylor says 40 pts is not a lead and measures success by how many 70 and 80 pt games he has and expects to score on every possession. A lot has been made of the teams pitching shut outs and we were back in the news tonight for our second for the first time in a long time.
I liked the pace and energy of the Sam Houston game and last year I liked the hurry up offense we ran. It seems that we are slowing down more and more because they do not have plays called in advance. Tonight we could have scored more points and at least the offense was actually blocking and not just standing around when the play was not designed to go in their direction.
Right now our defense is credited for roughly 50% of our pts, so DBU is back, but the offense does not have pace and rhythm, not compared to Baylor and A&M. They already have 2000 yds of offense after 3 games. Briles and Sumlin both worked at Houston. Watching their offense with 4-5 WRs, 2 outside the right and left hash, stretching from sideline to sideline, operating with just the QB in the shotgun and him taking off through the giant holes and running for a score is mesmerizing. Their D is the same. They try and score on every play.
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Posted on 9/14/14 at 2:42 am to Quid Pro Quo
Did you watch what happened when A&M played us the past two years?
Those offenses are fun to watch but you don't have any balance so you get beat 3-4 times a year
Those offenses are fun to watch but you don't have any balance so you get beat 3-4 times a year
Posted on 9/14/14 at 2:59 am to Quid Pro Quo
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Right now our defense is credited for roughly 50% of our pts, so DBU is back, but the offense does not have pace and rhythm, not compared to Baylor and A&M. They already have 2000 yds of offense after 3 games. Briles and Sumlin both worked at Houston. Watching their offense with 4-5 WRs, 2 outside the right and left hash, stretching from sideline to sideline, operating with just the QB in the shotgun and him taking off through the giant holes and running for a score is mesmerizing. Their D is the same. They try and score on every play.
Those teams struggle against real teams(ie A&M against LSU the past 2 years).
This post was edited on 9/14/14 at 3:01 am
Posted on 9/14/14 at 3:10 am to Prominentwon
You have noticed that we have only 2 credible options for quarterback and they are dual-threat and subject to injury, meaning at any moment we have only one if one gets nicked, in trouble, out for the season, or has a serious TD Travin car wreck. It was kind of blind to sit on a 5th yr JUCO, Mett, and not have a solid group of trained QBs like Baylor, A&M, OR, OSU, Auburn, Bama, FSU, OU, etc. The problem is that the HUNH air raid spread option offenses are recruiting magnets because they are winning and the top Div 4 & 5 HS programs are all spread option HUNH and they want to play for programs that highlight their offensive skills. It is a trickle up effect all the way to the top NFL programs like Seattle with Pete Carroll running a West Coast spread offense, even the Saints are running 5 WRs. So the majority see their best shot at the NFL going through HUNH programs so Sumlin and Spavital (29 yrs old) and Briles are likely targets for NFL jobs this next yr.
RAT is short for Rating as in Passer Rating circa 1973. Surely you look at stats in Box Scores and move the cursor over the headings to get a definition of the column.
Jennings has his moments and strengths and chemistry with TD Travin and Diarse who is my favorite team player. Harris and Dupre were born on the same day and they practiced that reflex fade route and Harris and Fournette are roomates like Dural and Jennings. So their are strengths to be recognized. Harris has touch and good arm strength and spreads the ball around. I am watching the other games and the top SEC West teams are better than ever. I don't understand anointing anyone just because they had seniority. 7 out of the last nine BCS Champions were freshman or first yr starters. I like watching them both play and think they should be rotated like the backs, line, and special teams, but when they come in it would be nice to see them run a package of plays and not both stand around staring at the sideline waiting on a play. There needs to be more pace.
RAT is short for Rating as in Passer Rating circa 1973. Surely you look at stats in Box Scores and move the cursor over the headings to get a definition of the column.
Jennings has his moments and strengths and chemistry with TD Travin and Diarse who is my favorite team player. Harris and Dupre were born on the same day and they practiced that reflex fade route and Harris and Fournette are roomates like Dural and Jennings. So their are strengths to be recognized. Harris has touch and good arm strength and spreads the ball around. I am watching the other games and the top SEC West teams are better than ever. I don't understand anointing anyone just because they had seniority. 7 out of the last nine BCS Champions were freshman or first yr starters. I like watching them both play and think they should be rotated like the backs, line, and special teams, but when they come in it would be nice to see them run a package of plays and not both stand around staring at the sideline waiting on a play. There needs to be more pace.
Posted on 9/14/14 at 3:13 am to Quid Pro Quo
It takes a truly special poster to have more downvotes than posts
Posted on 9/14/14 at 3:23 am to Big Moe
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The problem is that the HUNH air raid spread option offenses are recruiting magnets because they are winning and the top Div 4 & 5 HS programs are all spread option HUNH and they want to play for programs that highlight their offensive skills.
LSU offensive skill players drafted in 2014 = 6
Baylor + A&M + Auburn = 6
But yeah HUNH.
Posted on 9/14/14 at 3:46 am to The Boat
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Lol stfu Harris has thrown 5 passes.
I hope the bug that crawled up your butt stays there, in other we need your ilk to make the Rant the place where you can insult total strangers and feel damn good.
Impressive verbal skills. Jennings threw an INT!!!!!!!! the infallible game manager effed up his perfection and TD Travin had no TDs only Freshmen TDs. His imaginary #1 passer rating over Kenny Hill is now last in the SEC
11/18-131-yds 7.7-ypc 1-INT 2-SKS 114-RAT 41 QBR
Baylor's Seth Russell relieved Petty and threw 2 passes for 64 yds and a TD and ran 18 yds for another TD left the game and collected a Passer Rating of 400 and QBR which takes into account the rushing TD because QBs in HUNH score more and lead Rushing so the QB is not just a Passer, he hands off, blocks, rushes, etc. His QBR was 99.9 out of 100.
Harris last two games:
Passer Rating RAT QBR
250.2 99.7 He ran for a TD
108.8 96.1
Posted on 9/14/14 at 3:50 am to Quid Pro Quo
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I don't understand anointing anyone just because they had seniority.
He won because he had better command of the offense. He won because he is better able to lead right now.
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7 out of the last nine BCS Champions were freshman or first yr starters
Zero were true freshman, and Jennings is a first year starter.
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I like watching them both play and think they should be rotated like the backs, line, and special teams,
the DL needs to rotate and that's all I agree with. Harris and Jennings do not need to be switching in and out for no reason. Before the season, I thought they would do this the first three games, then pick a starter. After game one, IMO, this was Jennings' team. After game two, Jennings definitely has a lock because Harris looks too nervous and jumpy every time he comes in. After last night, I am 100% sure that Harris' last meaningful play time should be New Mexico State, an injury to Jennings, or if Jennings is playing horribly (3 ints in one half).
I'm not trying to rag on him, but he doesnt know the play half the time, looks confused, and looks nervous/jittery. He is a true freshman, so I can understand this.
Posted on 9/14/14 at 3:56 am to Quid Pro Quo
You have a serious hard on for QBR(an awful stat) and HUNH(which has done what in terms of titles?).
You have to work for ESPN or something.
You have to work for ESPN or something.
Posted on 9/14/14 at 4:04 am to LosLobos111
I'm starting to think he is an A&M troll
Nobody can be this dumb
Nobody can be this dumb
This post was edited on 9/14/14 at 4:05 am
Posted on 9/14/14 at 4:23 am to Big Moe
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It takes a truly special poster to have more downvotes than posts
At this time of morning, you play to a tough crowd. Really, if everyone agrees then I have done nothing. What is the point?
Posted on 9/14/14 at 5:22 am to Big Moe
A&M troll?? For not having the same view as you and for knowing that spread option and up tempo offenses and nickel and dime Mustang defenses are not the future but the present. They are bringing in money. The saying is offense sells the seats in the stadium and defense wins the titles. With a 50/50 distribution we have the formula, we have the coaches, and we have the personnel. I don't like to hear people say we will have the class next year or the next or when Moses gets here in 2017. When the people over Miles kicked Tyrann to the curb for an in house matter by not handling it in house like Saban does it cost the university 50 million according to a marketing study. It cost us an NC or two and it decimated the recruiting. Miles presser was the most depressed I have ever seen him because he knew it was going to kill the team. We dropped from 1 to 4 in the polls and the recruiting impact is still being felt. Fortunately for Mathieu he is going to get his 50 million. You need to think for yourself. If you see another program doing something good you need to see how to integrate it. If you think this program has done everything right when we cannot get back to the SEC championship and keep up in the facility race then just put a bunch of smiley buttons on your post and spit out one liners. Texas is the highest scoring High School State per game in the nation and they are turning out the QBs to do it. We are the lowest. Every state is adopting HUNH spread offenses to counter defenses like Saban's, big slow guys, Chavis keeps fast guys so yeah we have better record against those offenses but why not have both? Cam, if he is not held back, might do it.
Have you watched Baylor and A&M this year? They are twice as good as they were. They ran 99 plays against South Carolina and never had a false start penalty. Then Carolina with 4 and 5 WR sets busts Georgia a team that is supposed to be like us with better backs. Gurley looked mediocre and Spurrier is 70 and he is running one of the most modern offenses in the SEC. I have a chart of the SEC offenses (charts on everything, really) and LSU ranks in the bottom 25% in scoring and style. It just seems that at some point the offensive recruits are not going to come here to be held back. Look at LF7. He went from Tiger Woods (it is not cool to say AP today, you know he was indicted) to Miles Woodshed. The first week the media said he was a fat slow overweight bust and of course the rant jumped all over that. The second week the internet melted down with the Buga-Heisman and he got the closest thing to the Woody Hayes sideline arse chewing you could get. Then he has to give up a 2 yd touchdown to Hilliard, and another today to Williams. So he still is paying for something and not getting his stats. (I have 20 articles about the ideal size and weight for RBs vs style of running, knee injury, and speed. He is the same size and weight as Gurley, Darrell Williams, and Hilliard, but faster. AP was going to go from 218 to 230 but it would have changed him Melvin Gordon, Fly Sweep, Fast Cutting to LF style). Yeah, I think LF either needs 20 carries a game or to lose 5-10 lbs, but something is not right.
Lorenzo Carter. I was writing him and so was Mathieu and I was positive he was coming here. He changed his mind because his sister cried. He was wearing Number 7 today and he recovered a fumble. He was wearing Honey Badger Hair the last 3 months of the recruiting season and I thought he was coming. And in the news 2 days ago the #10 JUCO DE Takkarist McKinley signs with UCLA, 6-3 240, 10.5 100 m speed and he is already cleared to play. That is Mingo all over again. And we cannot get Carter or a top DE. If they are only going to stay 2 yrs JUCO make sense. Mett was a JUCO and 80% of AUB's offense is JUCOs and they have a JUCO RB they think will win the Heisman coming next year. They get 5-6 a yr or more. One is 25 yrs old and he and Duke Williams are tearing it up. These guys are older and game ready. Did you notice that Nick Marshall though busted in a car was not even disciplined where we burned Mathieu at the Stake.
Have you watched Baylor and A&M this year? They are twice as good as they were. They ran 99 plays against South Carolina and never had a false start penalty. Then Carolina with 4 and 5 WR sets busts Georgia a team that is supposed to be like us with better backs. Gurley looked mediocre and Spurrier is 70 and he is running one of the most modern offenses in the SEC. I have a chart of the SEC offenses (charts on everything, really) and LSU ranks in the bottom 25% in scoring and style. It just seems that at some point the offensive recruits are not going to come here to be held back. Look at LF7. He went from Tiger Woods (it is not cool to say AP today, you know he was indicted) to Miles Woodshed. The first week the media said he was a fat slow overweight bust and of course the rant jumped all over that. The second week the internet melted down with the Buga-Heisman and he got the closest thing to the Woody Hayes sideline arse chewing you could get. Then he has to give up a 2 yd touchdown to Hilliard, and another today to Williams. So he still is paying for something and not getting his stats. (I have 20 articles about the ideal size and weight for RBs vs style of running, knee injury, and speed. He is the same size and weight as Gurley, Darrell Williams, and Hilliard, but faster. AP was going to go from 218 to 230 but it would have changed him Melvin Gordon, Fly Sweep, Fast Cutting to LF style). Yeah, I think LF either needs 20 carries a game or to lose 5-10 lbs, but something is not right.
Lorenzo Carter. I was writing him and so was Mathieu and I was positive he was coming here. He changed his mind because his sister cried. He was wearing Number 7 today and he recovered a fumble. He was wearing Honey Badger Hair the last 3 months of the recruiting season and I thought he was coming. And in the news 2 days ago the #10 JUCO DE Takkarist McKinley signs with UCLA, 6-3 240, 10.5 100 m speed and he is already cleared to play. That is Mingo all over again. And we cannot get Carter or a top DE. If they are only going to stay 2 yrs JUCO make sense. Mett was a JUCO and 80% of AUB's offense is JUCOs and they have a JUCO RB they think will win the Heisman coming next year. They get 5-6 a yr or more. One is 25 yrs old and he and Duke Williams are tearing it up. These guys are older and game ready. Did you notice that Nick Marshall though busted in a car was not even disciplined where we burned Mathieu at the Stake.
Posted on 9/14/14 at 5:32 am to Big Moe
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Did you watch what happened when A&M played us the past two years? Those offenses are fun to watch but you don't have any balance so you get beat 3-4 times a year
Those were last year's offenses and defenses. They have since incorporated Catapult Sports which uses GPS and in stadium Clearsky transmitters to collect hundreds of data points on each player's conditioning and body impact stress and speed. All of their skill players are running 21-22.5 mph in burst speed and they are not suffering muscle tears and sprains. They have a whole group of Applied Science analysts on the sidelines making sure that they get the optimum training and nutrition. It is 80K per player but it lets FSU and Baylor get the most out of their players. If LF is getting slower this would tell you. Moffit says he has been using it for a couple of years but I think only in the weight room. FSU's Fisher swears that is how he won the Championship last year.
Last year's teams beat last year's teams with last year's personnel and without the incoming Freshmen talent. We have our best success out of the shotgun because with a mobile quarterback that puts him in play rather under center, essentially you are going with one less player.
Sumlin is building the perfect beast. Hill is a definite upgrade over Manziel. Briles and Sumlin have greatly upgraded their D. They are recruiting magnets. We are a little ahead of last year's recruiting class with Quinn being #12 in August and our highest 4 Star. It was Dec 16 before we got our 15/16 recruit and first 5 star Clifton Garrett. But we do not have the huge in state 5 star group we drew from last year. Their O and D are better every year and recruits are lining up, their classes have big leads. If we win out past Auburn Oct 4th, we could likely win the West.
Posted on 9/14/14 at 6:48 am to harry coleman beast
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Lol stfu
Harris has thrown 5 passes.
This. Its sad how bad LSU fans want Jennings to fail.
Posted on 9/14/14 at 11:35 am to Quid Pro Quo
I would go to Espn.com if I wanted to read shitty longform articles about made up stats
This post was edited on 9/14/14 at 11:36 am
Posted on 9/14/14 at 11:46 am to Quid Pro Quo
Let's truly make an extreme effort and a LOT of blabbering to make our 3-0 qb look bad. Your kind is pathetic.
Posted on 9/16/14 at 3:26 pm to Quid Pro Quo
Since we only have 2 QBs they should be getting equal time in these tune-up games. Miles and Cam are high on Harris and Miles told SEC Network that Harris wins 10 out 10 head to head competitions and just needs game time.
This Passer Rating chart (RAT) is not a QB Rating chart (QBR). It includes only pass play stats, not running or strength of team defense faced or home or away etc. At the bottom it has the NCAA min of 75% of games played and 15 atts/game played. Jennings had only 13 atts in game 2, his best game against an undersized FCS school, and including those stats by mistake in this chart and calling it a QB rating chart generated the claim he was first in the SEC and 5th in the nation, ahead of at least 8 other teams with better Passer Ratings and some having played ranked SEC opponents. ESPN criteria are that the QB or other Passer must have participated in 20 plays per game to be rated. That is why Harris is reported by all the news media as having a higher Passer Rating and QB Rating than Jennings (they use ESPN data). Harris has completed 5 of 7 attempts in two games and had better yards/run with no interceptions. As we have only 2 QBs and since dual-threat QBs are more prone to injury, we better hope they are on equal footing. Gus Malzahn echoes the sentiments of every other FBS Div-I school by saying "You can never have enough QBs, every thing on offense begins and ends with them." The other SEC schools avg 5-7 QBs on the roster with a good mix of experienced and Freshmen talent. The JUCO ranks have provided Auburn with Cam Newton and Nick Marshall and LSU with Mett: all worked out well. Aub plays the JUCO game better than everyone except K State and LSU is at the bottom when drawing from JUCO talent.
Startling Fact: Zero = the number of LSU quarterbacks ranked on the SEC's all-time list of the top 21 QBs with the best winning percentage as starters. Alabama, Florida, Georgia and Tennessee account for 19 of the QBs.
LSU has notoriously under recruited for the QB spot and hopefully Cam Cameron is going to change that and we finish the season SEC champs, NC champs or at least ranked high enough to attract premium QBs. A progressive offense is the second best recruiting tool to winning. Dual-threat QBs are going to go play for spread option teams and teams that will get them to the NFL. It is a proven fact that a spread option offense is a recruiting tool with HUNH addiing an extra advantage. Cam knows them, is implementing the plays, and not only are they predominating High School Championships, they are in the premier ACC, SEC, Big 12, Pac 10, and Big 10 schools. They are also all over the NFL from the Seahawks implementing Malzahn's plays, to the Saints running 5 WR sets to spread the field, Chip Kelly took it with him, and Sumling and Briles are being wooed by NFL teams.
Posted on 9/16/14 at 3:31 pm to Quid Pro Quo
You really need to get laid.
Posted on 9/16/14 at 3:41 pm to Quid Pro Quo
Posted on 9/16/14 at 3:41 pm to Quid Pro Quo
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7 out of the last nine BCS Champions were freshman or first yr starters
Freshman and first year starters are WILDLY different. You're a special kind of dumb, aren't you?
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