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Posted on 9/11/14 at 12:15 pm to Poodlebrain
quote:These are all good questions that need to be answered. But to insinuate that just because I don't have a conspiracy theory, it makes your conspiracy theory the truth is preposterous.
Just how many people are in on this international conspiracy? In order to perpetuate the cover up it requires new conspirators every day. Yet not one conspirator has come forward with tangible evidence and expressed remorse for participating in this enormous international conspiracy that has cost tens of thousands of lives, trillions of dollars, toppled governments and displaced millions of people.
When did the conspiracy begin? What were the aims of the original conspirators? Who were the original conspirators? Surely Mr. Roberts must know the answers to these questions. Why hasn't he, you or anyone else provided provable answers to these questions?
Posted on 9/11/14 at 12:20 pm to notiger1997
quote:I am really interested in learning just what "loony toon fairy tale" I believe in.
If you believe the loony toon fairy tale
I believe the government is lying about what actually happened. Government lies. Government is untrustworthy. I don't believe anything coming from an untrustworthy source.
If that's your definition of "loony toon fairy tale" then have fun living in fantasyland.
This post was edited on 9/11/14 at 12:22 pm
Posted on 9/11/14 at 12:21 pm to TX Tiger
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I don't believe either one of those. I also believe it is narrow-minded to think that these are the only two possibilities.
Alright sir - and I did concede the third theory by some.
So, if AQ didn't do it, we didn't do it to ourselves and the Joos didn't do it, what do you consider to be viable 4th, 5th, 6th possibilities?
(Don't say you don't know. You implied there are many. I'm asking for no more than 3 - I'll take 1 and it doesn't have to be THE perpetrator, just a viable alternative.)
Posted on 9/11/14 at 12:21 pm to Ace Midnight
quote:
The use of airplanes was relatively ingenius - however, Clancy had covered that in one of his novels (Debt of Honor), including an attack on the U.S. Capitol Building (eerily similar, IMHO), so it wasn't exactly a new idea.
yep, bojinka plot. KSM and ramzi yousef had been trying to do something like this since the mid 1990s.
Posted on 9/11/14 at 12:24 pm to TX Tiger
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I believe the government is lying about what actually happened.
Certainly possible. There are plenty of precedents.
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Government lies. Government is untrustworthy.
As government is made of of people (myself included) with biases, prejudices and agendas - no question this happens.
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I don't believe anything coming from an untrustworthy source.
So, you're a nihilist, then? Because all humans are fallible and untrustworthy to a degree - even if unintentional. How can you trust, then, anything you can't confirm with your own eyes, ears and hands?
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If that's your definition of "loony toon fairy tale" then have fun living in fantasyland.
I think it is the opposite - believing in nothing is fantasyland. Stuff is. A belief in nothing can almost be dismissed out of hand, other than as an existential, philosophical exercise.
This post was edited on 9/11/14 at 12:27 pm
Posted on 9/11/14 at 12:35 pm to Ace Midnight
quote:That's the point. How could anyone possibly know the truth when all we've been given is a bunch of lies from an untrustworthy source.
So, if AQ didn't do it, we didn't do it to ourselves and the Joos didn't do it, what do you consider to be viable 4th, 5th, 6th possibilities?
My first inclination is to follow the money. Who is profiting? This war has cost tax payers trillions. Who profited?
Billions annually is being made in poppies. Who is profiting?
Unocal threatened to bomb Afghanistan if they weren't allowed to build a pipeline through the country. How long does it take to build a pipeline through an entire country? 13 years? Longer?
It is estimated that there is up to $10 TRILLION in natural resources in Afghanistan. Who is profiting?
Is this why Russia invaded in the 1980s?
Is this why America fought WITH Afghanistan to keep the Russians out?
Why is profiting from the war on terrorism not the headline story on every news channel for the last 13 years?
Answer these questions first and we'll begin to unravel this mystery. But not until then.
There's a reason we've been bogged down for 13 years and our attentions redirected towards arguing about how and how many buildings fell that day and how hot jet fuel burns, etc. etc.
It can't be said enough.. it's about money. It's ALWAYS about money.
Posted on 9/11/14 at 12:42 pm to Bunsbert Montcroff
quote:Operation Northwoods was planned in the early 1960s. Yes false flag operations are not a new idea.
The use of airplanes was relatively ingenius - however, Clancy had covered that in one of his novels (Debt of Honor), including an attack on the U.S. Capitol Building (eerily similar, IMHO), so it wasn't exactly a new idea.
yep, bojinka plot. KSM and ramzi yousef had been trying to do something like this since the mid 1990s.
Posted on 9/11/14 at 12:43 pm to TX Tiger
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That's the point. How could anyone possibly know the truth when all we've been given is a bunch of lies from an untrustworthy source.
I gave you a simple task - I asked you to give me ONE viable alternative. I said, "Don't say you don't know."
We live in a world of facts and evidence. I subsequently agreed with you that governments lie, etc.
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Billions annually is being made in poppies. Who is profiting?
Good question.
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Is this why Russia invaded in the 1980s?
Good question.
However, not an answer to "What is the 4th, 5th, 6th viable alternative?"
In criminal investigations, the suspect list typically gets built on, "method,motive and opportunity".
I agree with you that money is a strong motive. However, it answers NOTHING. North American and Grumman both made a lot of money off the space program. Doesn't mean they triggered the space race. I, personally, made a nice paychec in Iraq. Doesn't mean I'm responsible for 9/11 (For the record, I am not responsible for 9/11).
So - if AQ didn't do it (I have little doubt you have rejected this possibility) and the Joos didn't do it (maybe you think they do), then we either did it ourselves, directly, or cooperated with them and covered it up - which makes it us doing it to ourselves, effectively.
I have a sneaking suspicion that you believe this, but even many 9/11 truthers realize how crazy this sounds when you say it out loud - because of the implication of how far up, down and sideways it must have been - a minimum of several thousand people must have been in on it and have kept a code of silence (or been silenced?) since then.
And you don't want to say that, because if you do, nobody will listen to you. So you take the Glenn Beck approach and say, "I'm just asking questions. Nothing can be believed."
Fine then, I don't believe you.
Posted on 9/11/14 at 12:44 pm to TX Tiger
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Yes false flag operations are not a new idea.
Ah. There it is. False flag.
Who executed it? W/Cheney/Halliburton, the Joos or some combination?
Posted on 9/11/14 at 12:45 pm to Ace Midnight
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If that's your definition of "loony toon fairy tale" then have fun living in fantasyland.
I think it is the opposite - believing in nothing is fantasyland.
Hope you didn't hurt yourself with that stretch.
Discarding the lies of a proven untrustworthy government is nowhere near believing in nothing. Nice try, though.
Posted on 9/11/14 at 12:46 pm to TX Tiger
Complete bs. Everyone knows Jews did 9/11
Posted on 9/11/14 at 12:47 pm to TX Tiger
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TX Tiger
honestly, just kill yourself already and make it easier on everyone aroudn you
Posted on 9/11/14 at 12:48 pm to Ace Midnight
quote:Yes, they've been happening for centuries. Why do Americans act like it's something brand new or that they are somehow above it happening to them?
Yes false flag operations are not a new idea.
Ah. There it is. False flag.
quote:I have the same questions.
Who executed it? W/Cheney/Halliburton, the Joos or some combination?
Posted on 9/11/14 at 12:49 pm to TX Tiger
quote:
I believe in.
You have posted on here and I've ready the other fairy tale's that have stated that part of the reason 9-11 was "orchestrated" was so that the U.S. gov. would have a reason to go and help the illuminati(or similiar group) get their hands on the Afghan natural resources worth a trillion or more.
I'm just trying to find out why that part of the theory just went away.
Posted on 9/11/14 at 12:51 pm to notiger1997
TX Tiger - thinks our government orchestrated 9/11, yet he continues to live here and pay taxes to the government
thank you for your patriotism
thank you for your patriotism
Posted on 9/11/14 at 12:51 pm to TX Tiger
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My first inclination is to follow the money
Agree
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Unocal threatened to bomb Afghanistan
Wut???? I didn't know Unocal had bombers
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Is this why Russia invaded in the 1980s?
No, Russia invaded because they wanted a port to open seas
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Is this why America fought WITH Afghanistan to keep the Russians out?
No, we would have fought with Hitler if it meant fricking with the Russians
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It is estimated that there is up to $10 TRILLION in natural resources in Afghanistan. Who is profiting?
Right now no one but China wants to get the big invite to play
Posted on 9/11/14 at 1:01 pm to Ace Midnight
quote:The only alternative I would give an ear to would be that the Bush administration heard word that terrorists were looking to hijack a plane and allowed it to happen, thinking that it would just be hijacked and not rammed into buildings. The outrage from the hijackings could have fueled enough for a war on Al Qaeda / Afghanistan regardless.
However, not an answer to "What is the 4th, 5th, 6th viable alternative?"
Posted on 9/11/14 at 1:08 pm to mmcgrath
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The only alternative I would give an ear to would be that the Bush administration heard word that terrorists were looking to hijack a plane and allowed it to happen, thinking that it would just be hijacked and not rammed into buildings
Well who did it in that case, if not AQ? I'm not necessarily needing to get into the minutiae, but for people who don't believe AQ did it, then who? Particularly if it is not the prevailing "W/Cheney/Halliburton" or some combination of World Bank, Goldman Sachs or Israeli J-O-O-S.
This post was edited on 9/11/14 at 1:09 pm
Posted on 9/11/14 at 1:14 pm to TX Tiger
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Airport Security failed four times at the same moment on the same day. The probability of such a failure is zero.
Not reading all this crap, but that line has to be my favorite.
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