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re: What should the USA have done after 11 September 2001?

Posted on 9/10/14 at 6:18 pm to
Posted by Asgard Device
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Posted on 9/10/14 at 6:18 pm to
In hindsight, doing nothing, and just playing up the victim card may have been a better play.
Posted by S.E.C. Crazy
Alabama
Member since Feb 2013
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Posted on 9/10/14 at 6:49 pm to
Jesus is going to place millions in hell fire! !!


You have these ignorant bastards horboring terrorist and funding these evil terrorist.

A threat of future Nukes, with a couple dropped nukes 100 miles outside of a couple of major cities would have brought about the necessary capitulation by these Arab nations.

If countries know you mean business they will acquiesce in a hurry. As long as liberals and dumb conservatives pussy foot around you get more of the same BS.

Two nukes on Japan brought about the end of the war quickly.



Posted by Tactical1
Denham Springs
Member since May 2010
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Posted on 9/10/14 at 6:54 pm to
Smarter men than me get to make that decision.

It seems everyone (armed with hindsight) has the ultimate playbook for post 9/11/2001

Everyone is great at second guessing, just nobody wants to raise their hand and be the "first guessser".

Posted by genro
Member since Nov 2011
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Posted on 9/10/14 at 6:56 pm to
The nuclear option can be argued to save the most lives, long-term. That's what I'm saying.
Posted by Big Scrub TX
Member since Dec 2013
33403 posts
Posted on 9/10/14 at 7:08 pm to
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What should the USA have done after 11 September 2001?


Reinforced cockpit doors.

The End
Posted by tiderider
Member since Nov 2012
7703 posts
Posted on 9/10/14 at 7:13 pm to
seriously ... scrub has an answer that is as logical as anyone's (even if he might be trolling - don't know scrub that well) ... we got stung, and decided to start two wars that had no ending, spending trillions of dollars we don't have, creating government bureaucracy and increasing NSA surveillance, instead of something that makes far more sense in light of aq's inability to create anything more than an aircraft attack, thus far ...
Posted by Big12fan
Dallas
Member since Nov 2011
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Posted on 9/10/14 at 7:37 pm to
Had we not decided that Iraq taking over Kuwait and possibly Saudi Arabia was such a bad thing, then 911 may never have happened. The Gulf War was not necessary. Why? Because there are no "good guys" in the oil countries. Would Saddam have attemepted to take over SA? Probably. Then what? Well he's now a huge threat and buffer to Iran, Hezebollah, Al Quaeda, and any other Jihadist group. Would he attempt to cut off the US from ME oil? Hell no, who want to alienate the world largest consumer?

No US troops would have lived and died in Saudi Arabia and in the process enraging the radicals. US companies could still have done biz with Saddam and there would have been no long embargo, which resulted in the death of up to 500,000 children.

Doing absolutely nothing would given us a better result and most likely 911 never happens. Saudi Arabia goes from being ruled by a corrupt royal family to being ruled by a mafia regime.

We succumbed to fear - just like the invasion of Iraq and the current ISIS crisis. Our leaders effectively used fear to make us believe that all hell would be the result of inaction. What a crock of shite. For those of you who want to kill all Muslims, would allowing a Stalinesque dictator repress, torture, and kill his own countrymen be all that bad in exchange for stability?
This post was edited on 9/10/14 at 7:42 pm
Posted by genro
Member since Nov 2011
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Posted on 9/10/14 at 7:41 pm to
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Had we not decided that Iraq taking over Kuwait and possibly Saudi Arabia was such a bad thing, then 911 may never have happened. The Gulf War was not necessary. Why? Because there are no "good guys" in the oil countries. Would Saddam have attemepted to take over SA? Probably. Then what? Well he's now a huge threat and buffer to Iran, Hezebollah, Al Quaeda, and any other Jihadist group. Would he attempt to cut off the US from ME oil? Hell no, who want to alienate the world largest consumer? 

No US troops would have lived and died in Saudi Arabia and in the process enraging the radicals. US companies could still have done biz with Saddam and there would have been no long embargo, which resulted in the death of up to 500,000 children. 

Doing absolutely nothing would given us a better result and most likely 911 never happens. Saudi Arabia goes from being ruled by a corrupt royal family to being ruled by a mafia regime. 

We succumbed to fear - just like the invasion of Iraq and the current ISIS crisis. 

Petrodollar.
Posted by Champagne
Already Conquered USA.
Member since Oct 2007
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Posted on 9/10/14 at 8:03 pm to
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We're talking about the best option, not the most realistic



Come on, man.

"Use Nukes" is a crutch and excuse to avoid real thinking of a solution.
Posted by Champagne
Already Conquered USA.
Member since Oct 2007
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Posted on 9/10/14 at 8:06 pm to
quote:


Reinforced cockpit doors.

The End



Richard Gere agreed with you. He got booed by NYPD and NYFD.

But, it's still a solution to the issue.
Posted by Champagne
Already Conquered USA.
Member since Oct 2007
48346 posts
Posted on 9/10/14 at 8:09 pm to
quote:

For those of you who want to kill all Muslims, would allowing a Stalinesque dictator repress, torture, and kill his own countrymen be all that bad in exchange for stability?




Good and logical point. Those who say "Nuke the Muslims" can't argue that Saddam had to be deposed because he was killing and abusing Muslims.

BUT, you are off topic. We are thinking about the US course of action after 11 Sep 2001. I'm a little disappointed that the most popular suggested solution is "Nuke the Muslims" but this thread is not yet over.
Posted by genro
Member since Nov 2011
61788 posts
Posted on 9/10/14 at 8:12 pm to
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But, it's still a solution to the issue.
Uh, most terrorist attacks don't involve planes.
Posted by OleWar
Troy H. Middleton Library
Member since Mar 2008
5828 posts
Posted on 9/10/14 at 8:17 pm to
Saddam's biggest sin was continuing to support the Palestinians after 9/11. This is why he is dead.
Posted by Champagne
Already Conquered USA.
Member since Oct 2007
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Posted on 9/10/14 at 8:32 pm to
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Uh, most terrorist attacks don't involve planes.



Yes, but, beefing up airport and aircraft security would be a solution to ending that kind of terrorist tactic.

There are many folks who think that we should have done this and nothing else. It's a very passive solution, but, a solution. How successful would such a passive solution prove to be? IMHO, not very successful.
Posted by Sentrius
Fort Rozz
Member since Jun 2011
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Posted on 9/10/14 at 8:57 pm to
Send spec op units after OBL and every member of al-queda and use lots and lots of drones during the campaign.

Absolutely stay away from invading Iraq and Afghanistan and leave Saddam alone to ensure stability across the Mideast.
Posted by TX Tiger
at home
Member since Jan 2004
35632 posts
Posted on 9/10/14 at 9:10 pm to
quote:

What should the USA have done after 11 September 2001?
Go shopping.

Posted by Champagne
Already Conquered USA.
Member since Oct 2007
48346 posts
Posted on 9/11/14 at 9:50 am to
quote:

Send spec op units after OBL and every member of al-queda and use lots and lots of drones during the campaign.

Absolutely stay away from invading Iraq and Afghanistan and leave Saddam alone to ensure stability across the Mideast.



Very interesting. Perhaps this was the best option.

It would not be a lasting solution, however, because, AQ would suffer losses, disperse and then reappear some years later in the form of ISIL or some other named group.

Bush seems to have been going for a LASTING and permanent solution. If we give him the benefit of the doubt, he saw removal of Saddam as a way to deny AQ a possible future safe-haven to regroup.

I am willing to concede for the sake of discussion that invading Iraq and deposing Saddam was a mistake. I have to concede that the costs outweighed the benefits. As such, I'd like to move on from that for the sake of this thread at least.

I'd like to continue to think about what the US should have done besides continue to contain Saddam, suppress him, keep UN inspector pressure on him, occasionally bomb him when he shoots at us, etc.

Destroy the Taliban without occupation of A-ghan. That's a popular idea. A good idea, I think. Sure, we may have had to go back there in a future time to again destroy the Taliban, but, perhaps we should have been realistic enough to set aside the notion that the USA could establish lasting peace and stability in the ME. Perhaps the USA should have pursued a course of action that did not have lasting peace and stability as a primary objective.

That said, what should the USA have done?

We haven't heard from many of our most active posters. I know that they have some thoughts on this.
Posted by Jim Ignatowski
Louisiana
Member since Jul 2013
1383 posts
Posted on 9/11/14 at 9:51 am to
We should have utterly destroyed all Muslims...every where.
Posted by TX Tiger
at home
Member since Jan 2004
35632 posts
Posted on 9/11/14 at 9:56 am to
quote:

Send spec op units after OBL and every member of al-queda and use lots and lots of drones during the campaign.

Absolutely stay away from invading Iraq and Afghanistan and leave Saddam alone to ensure stability across the Mideast.
This is obviously the correct answer....if our intentions were to fight terrorists.
Posted by geauxturbo
Baton Rouge
Member since Aug 2007
4168 posts
Posted on 9/11/14 at 9:56 am to
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Stayed out of Iraq


I'm smart enough to figure out why Obama wants to degrade ISIL.

Are you smart enough to figure out why Bush decided to remove Saddam? Take off your Democrat tin foil hat for a few hours and look into Saddam's history, his actual desire and intention to gain WMDs, study the time at which this was occurring, etc. Bush wasn't a retard for going into Iraq. He and his staff greatly miscalculated the difficulty of stabilizing the country afterwards. The actual removal of Saddam went pretty smoothly.

No president has figured out what to do about the middle east. Many of them were pretty damn smart. Clinton included. It quite honeslty seems like every decision in that damn place backfires. Wanna bet bombing ISIL has some sort of repercussions? No clue today what that will be...but 10 years from now on Frontline I bet we find out.

I think we should have done what we did. But used the Surge type tactics post the removal of Saddam to keep the insurgents at bay. Fully stabilized Iraq, then set up a permanent base(s). I also think every damn dime we spent should have been paid by Iraq (through oil or whatever). Spoils of war.
This post was edited on 9/11/14 at 9:57 am
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