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re: Amendment 40 Red Snapper Discussion
Posted on 8/27/14 at 8:54 am to Galactic Inquisitor
Posted on 8/27/14 at 8:54 am to Galactic Inquisitor
You got that all wrong, they are saving the environment by removing the evil oil well platforms.
If you asked the oil co's what they would do you'd get this:
1: leave in place.
2. Remove and put in a reef zone.
3. Remove and drag ashore.
It costs waaaay more $ to drag it back to land.
If you asked the oil co's what they would do you'd get this:
1: leave in place.
2. Remove and put in a reef zone.
3. Remove and drag ashore.
It costs waaaay more $ to drag it back to land.
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Posted on 8/27/14 at 9:02 am to eng08
I am glad I still have my 6 pack license and charter license, Guess I can start taking members of the OB snapper fishing....
This is infuriating!
This is infuriating!
Posted on 8/27/14 at 9:05 am to Da Hammer
Is there any chance the recreational guys can sue and take a page out of the environmental playbook.
Say the commercial guys are catching too many and threatening the fish, therefore it needs to be protected?
Try to shutdown the whole fishery for everyone in order to get commercial guys to the table and force nmfs to do an accurate survey.
Say the commercial guys are catching too many and threatening the fish, therefore it needs to be protected?
Try to shutdown the whole fishery for everyone in order to get commercial guys to the table and force nmfs to do an accurate survey.
Posted on 8/27/14 at 9:07 am to eng08
I completely understand removing the navigation hazards if you really need to, but you could just do what the rigs to reef program is doing and drop the top next to the base down to a navigable depth. Unfortunately, that fund also got pilfered by a state leader.
Posted on 8/27/14 at 9:08 am to Galactic Inquisitor
Yeah I know, the rigs to reefs is the ideal choice for everyone involved.
Posted on 8/27/14 at 9:10 am to eng08
quote:
Is there any chance the recreational guys can sue and take a page out of the environmental playbook.
Say the commercial guys are catching too many and threatening the fish, therefore it needs to be protected?
Try to shutdown the whole fishery for everyone in order to get commercial guys to the table and force nmfs to do an accurate survey.
That's going to be a steep hill to climb. I think it's possible, but unlikely to reach the desired outcome. Who would pay the attorney fees? Maybe you could build a coalition with some boat builders.
Showing legal standing to claim direct harm may be difficult. Then you have to worry about a judge killing it.
This post was edited on 8/27/14 at 9:16 am
Posted on 8/27/14 at 9:14 am to Da Hammer
quote:
I am glad I still have my 6 pack license and charter license,
We needed charter guys like you in the public comment meetings to get up and point out the stupidity of all of this.
Posted on 8/27/14 at 9:16 am to Galactic Inquisitor
i'm still having a hard time "following the money" on this whole mess. i'm willing to bet that the commercial guys are getting BIG $$$ on their license since the nmfs doesn't issue anymore than what is currently issued (1,300?).
anyone care to explain?
anyone care to explain?
Posted on 8/27/14 at 9:28 am to mack the knife
There are limited offshore permits held in the recreational sector. Charter for hire guys are currently included in the recreational sector quota. They want their own quota that carves out a percentage of the current recreational quota (a public resource), so they can get paid to take people out fishing. Amendment 40 would hand/give a portion of the resource to a select few permit holders, so that they can profit from it.
This post was edited on 8/27/14 at 9:29 am
Posted on 8/27/14 at 9:33 am to Motorboat
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Motorboat
i got that part, but is the for-hire permit that valuable or expected to appreciate that much?
Posted on 8/27/14 at 9:44 am to OntarioTiger
If you're not a member of CCA, you should probably just admit it now.
Posted on 8/27/14 at 9:45 am to Da Hammer
quote:
I am glad I still have my 6 pack license and charter license,
And did you speak in the public comment meeting?
Posted on 8/27/14 at 9:50 am to mack the knife
quote:
i got that part, but is the for-hire permit that valuable or expected to appreciate that much?
Supply and demand. If they only make 300 Bugattis a year, then vehicle will appreciate due to rarity. There is a moratorium on permits right now. Limited supply of permits = increased demand and higher prices. Or some economic principle close to that.
Posted on 8/27/14 at 10:00 am to Motorboat
On the outlaw statement – similar to the point system to ducks back in the day – how many pintails were stomped in the mud back in the day …100 pt duck
Posted on 8/27/14 at 10:15 am to OntarioTiger
Evidently all recreational fisherpersons are missing a few bricks according to Capt Steve Tomeny.
LINK
LINK
Posted on 8/27/14 at 10:20 am to CHSBears
Holy crap. Yeah, I don't feel sorry for him at all.
Posted on 8/27/14 at 10:21 am to CHSBears
Well, I'll never do business with Steve Tomeny again. Congrats, Steve.
Posted on 8/27/14 at 10:23 am to Galactic Inquisitor
Based on Tomeny's article, he should advocate for-hire-charters being part of the commercial sector.
Posted on 8/27/14 at 10:29 am to Galactic Inquisitor
quote:
Based on Tomeny's article, he should advocate for-hire-charters being part of the commercial sector.
AMEN! that's what joe mac's comment was.
Posted on 8/27/14 at 10:30 am to AlxTgr
What he says is not that bad, I feel like it's his opinion and it's ok. He is skewed in one direction of course, but it's not terrible.
The bigger issue I think is the overall fishery population estimates that the Feds use to set the catch amounts.
From what I understand, if the population count would be correctly performed then the other stuff might work it's way out.
The bigger issue I think is the overall fishery population estimates that the Feds use to set the catch amounts.
From what I understand, if the population count would be correctly performed then the other stuff might work it's way out.
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