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re: The Official Comic Book Villain Tournament (Round IV) Voting Open!

Posted on 7/29/14 at 6:11 pm to
Posted by abellsujr
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Posted on 7/29/14 at 6:11 pm to
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There isn't another version. There's Mephisto..and that's it.
There are plenty of "versions". There are also plenty of versions of Loki. The Ghost Rider version of Mephisto was a joke.
Posted by BlacknGold
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Posted on 7/29/14 at 6:11 pm to
Exactly. When was it said Mephisto wasn't going to have his full power? It's just lame he was allowed in when others weren't.

You literally proved he's god tier. He can pretty much do whatever he wants.
Posted by Freauxzen
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Posted on 7/29/14 at 6:12 pm to
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Even though your version of Mephisto can do anything a human can comprehend and more?


Thanos had the Infinity Gauntlet.

And after that he knew enough about Mephisto to beat him again. Took prior knowledge, so a "fresh" Thanos wouldn't beat Mephisto, no.
Posted by molsusports
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Posted on 7/29/14 at 6:12 pm to
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There isn't another version. There's Mephisto..and that's it.



Posted by Freauxzen
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Posted on 7/29/14 at 6:13 pm to
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You literally proved he's god tier. He can pretty much do whatever he wants.


No. He's beatable. He just isn't beatable by Darkseid.
Posted by Freauxzen
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Posted on 7/29/14 at 6:13 pm to
Posted by abellsujr
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Posted on 7/29/14 at 6:14 pm to
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He just isn't beatable by Darkseid.
Posted by Freauxzen
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Posted on 7/29/14 at 6:15 pm to
Again, how many matches has Magneto trounced, including Black Manta, from bad matchups?

It happens, it's an easy call, like Vader vs. Magneto, let's get it done.

And hope that Apoc gets Mephisto, as there's an actual discussion there.
Posted by BlacknGold
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Posted on 7/29/14 at 6:19 pm to
So he was beatable by a god like item that isn't allowed in this tournament because it's god tier? Ok.

And shame on those who thought it was a "different" version. The rules and tournament has always said the strongest one.

Eta: the argument doesn't stem from the match up. At least not for me. Those powers and descriptions alone makes him god tier. Why this is just now being mentioned? Idk.
This post was edited on 7/29/14 at 6:21 pm
Posted by BlacknGold
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Posted on 7/29/14 at 6:22 pm to
Apocalypse can't. It's match 1 vs 2. Then 3 vs 4. It's not random at this point. The fight should've been Darkseid vs doomsday, which is a better fight anyway. I would rather see Thanos vs Darkseid at this point
Posted by abellsujr
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Posted on 7/29/14 at 6:24 pm to
My LAST post on this subject.
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The beings of Apokalips call themselves gods and live in a realm called the Fourth World which is outside normal space and time. Their strength is due to their relative proximity to the Source, an energy which fuels the powers of the beings in Apokalips. The inhabitants of New Genesis are far more stronger, faster, smarter, and are said to be immortal.

Superhuman Strength: Uxas is a very powerful alien from the planet Apokalips. His strength easily exceeds 100 tons as he is one of the strongest characters in the DC universe. However, his strength varies on his incarnation. Despite his strength fluctuations, his strength alone is a force to be reckoned with. He can easily destroy colossal objects, overpower far stronger characters especially cosmic beings, has the capability to bend and break any man-made material, lift massive objects, and easily demolish immensely fortified infrastructures. His strength is so great that he can easily overpower heavyweights such as Superman and Wonder Woman in hand to hand combat. He has also been shown destroying a Green Lantern Ring with his bare hands, and he once effortlessly punched Superman into the Source Wall.

Superhuman Speed: Due to Darkseid's New God Physiology, he can think, react, and move faster than a well rounded Olympic Athlete who engages in everyday exercise. Although not as fast as speedsters such as Flash and Superman, he would often surprise his foes by appearing right behind them. It is said that he can react within microseconds.

Superhuman Stamina: Darkseid's tissues don't create fatigue toxins resulting in him having inexhaustible stamina.

Invulnerability: Darkseid is extremely resistant to most forms of physical and mental harm. Darkseid's full durability capacity varies depending on the incarnation. Overall, because he is a high-tier cosmic being, humans couldn't even begin to harm him, bullets bounce off him, rockets, bombs and lasers won't even leave a mark on him, and high-voltage energy emissions can't penetrate through him. He is infact so durable that Lobo couldn't hurt him at all and only ended up hurting his own fists by punching Darkseid. He is completely immune to all earthly diseases and viruses. Despite his resistance, powerful beings like Superman or the Martian Manhunter can cause him great distress and pain. Also, materials forged from his home world can hurt him as well. He, like all New Gods, is vulnerable to Radion.

Immortality: As a New God, Darkseid has an extended lifespan which allows him to exist indefinitely. He doesn't age, wither, or degrade. He has been reduced to nothing before by the Spectre but it has been shown that he reformed his body shortly thereafter.

Omega Beams: Darkseid's most destructive use of the Omega Effect. He focuses this power as a form of concussion that fires from his eyes. He has complete control over it that he can change its path at will. He can make it travel in a straight line, curve, bend, or twist around corners. When it hits a target, it quickly reduces the target into nothing. His Omega Beams are proven ineffective against Wonder Woman's bracelets, as they were created from the Olympian Aegis. Nothing has been said to to survive the full Omega Effect except for stronger beings such as Doomsday, Superman, and Hank Henshaw.

Telepathy: Darkseid can easily read minds of others anywhere in the Universe. He can also attack them telepathically and invade their thoughts.

Mind Control: Darkseid can control the actions and perception of multiple individuals at once.

Telekinesis: Darkseid can mentally influence the movement of other objects to move with the use of his mind.

Matter Manipulation: With the use of the Omega Effect, Darkseid can dissipate and disperse molecules from an object or organism. He can create life or erase them out of existence. He could also use it to control the internal reactions of an organism such as to de-evolve it.

Teleportation: Darkseid can teleport himself and other beings anywhere in the universe.

Size Alteration: He can easily manipulate his size, density and mass.

Omega Sanction: Probably one of the most disastrous effects the Omega Effect can give. It can be described as a living hell for it traps the organism in a series of alternate realities, each one worse than the previous.

The Anti-Life Equation
Like all Dark Gods, Darkseid long sought the means to rule everything in creation. He realized that despite his vast power, his enemy was choice. It was free will that kept Scott Free strong despite the years of punishment. It was free will that quelled Orion's fiery heart, who chose to protect the ways of New Genesis and focused his rage on Darkseid. Yes, free will, choice, is an enemy. When Darkseid discovered that there was an Anti-Life Equation, a formula that would stamp out free will and allow him to mold and rule the universe at his whims as he ruled and molded despair ridden Apokolips, he essentially dedicated his life to uncovering this equation. He eventually found it during his trip through the Multiverse and used it to start the Final Crisis story arc.
Posted by Smokedawg
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Posted on 7/29/14 at 7:06 pm to
Apocalypse

Magneto

Mephisto

Thanos
Posted by abellsujr
New England
Member since Apr 2014
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Posted on 7/29/14 at 7:14 pm to
That's a pretty powerful Marvel lineup.
Posted by Freauxzen
Utah
Member since Feb 2006
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Posted on 7/29/14 at 7:14 pm to
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My LAST post on this subject.


That's a weak one.

Hey, I changed my vote on Ultron/Darkseid because it just made sense. It went from me thinking Ultron would win a close one to seeing that Darkseid stomped him rather quickly. It's hard to click that button, but we should be voting on reason and logic. All that advantage Darkseid had on Ultron means nil over Mephisto.

It stinks, sometimes the villains we like don't win, but that's the way it is. Or at least if we're honest, that's the way it should be.
Posted by Freauxzen
Utah
Member since Feb 2006
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Posted on 7/29/14 at 7:14 pm to
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That's a pretty powerful Marvel lineup.


Thor

Shazam

Flash

Superman
Posted by abellsujr
New England
Member since Apr 2014
35272 posts
Posted on 7/29/14 at 7:24 pm to
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Hey, I changed my vote on Ultron/Darkseid because it just made sense.
OK, so I lied. It makes perfect sense to me that Darkseid beats Mephisto.
Posted by Freauxzen
Utah
Member since Feb 2006
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Posted on 7/29/14 at 7:26 pm to
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It makes perfect sense to me that Darkseid beats Mephisto.


Ah so you aren't open for debate?

Got it.
This post was edited on 7/29/14 at 7:27 pm
Posted by abellsujr
New England
Member since Apr 2014
35272 posts
Posted on 7/29/14 at 7:29 pm to
In all honesty, if the fight is outside of Mephisto's realm, this is not even a fight.
Posted by Freauxzen
Utah
Member since Feb 2006
37281 posts
Posted on 7/29/14 at 7:30 pm to
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In all honesty, if the fight is outside of Mephisto's realm, this is not even a fight.


Wait I thought he was god tier? I'm so confused now.



Posted by abellsujr
New England
Member since Apr 2014
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Posted on 7/29/14 at 7:31 pm to
In your version, yes. I'm saying the fight is on neutral ground. It's only fair.
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