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Would the Allies have won WWII without America getting involved?
Posted on 7/25/14 at 11:01 pm
Posted on 7/25/14 at 11:01 pm
I'm watching a documentary on AMC about it now and I have always wondered about my question above. When I was a kid, I was under the impression we won the war alone; The more I read about it, the more I raise the question above. I know the OT has a lot of experts, what are y'alls thoughts?
Posted on 7/25/14 at 11:02 pm to Nativebullet
quote:why do care about that old shite
I'm watching a documentary on AMC about it
Posted on 7/25/14 at 11:03 pm to Nativebullet
They couldn't have defeated Japan without us. Probably could have slowly worn out Hitler and the Italians though.
Posted on 7/25/14 at 11:03 pm to Nativebullet
Europe? The allies would be under German rule now!
Posted on 7/25/14 at 11:07 pm to Nativebullet
Britain would have held it's own. Germany didn't have the navy to mount a land invasion of Britain.
Posted on 7/25/14 at 11:09 pm to Nativebullet
I think all that would have been left is Germany, Britain, and Russia. France would be in northern Africa.
Posted on 7/25/14 at 11:12 pm to Nativebullet
The answer is easily no..
Posted on 7/25/14 at 11:26 pm to Nativebullet
Hard to say. Probably would have fought to a stalemate after the death of Hitler. Russia would have eventually pushed back the eastern front. Britain holds out and aids resistance movements in Scandinavia and France.
Posted on 7/25/14 at 11:36 pm to Nativebullet
The European Theater would have ended in a stalemate, had Germany not declared war on the United States. The Eastern Front would have settled into a WWI-Esque battle. Germany would never have been able to invade Britain, unless they were left to build up another war machine in post war peace time. Hitler sealed his fate by launching Barbarosa and declaring war on the US, if he had only done one or the other I believe part of Europe would still be under Nazi rule. This is my opinion
This post was edited on 7/25/14 at 11:37 pm
Posted on 7/25/14 at 11:39 pm to Nativebullet
No the British during World War II made exactly 0 transport ships, 0 transport aircraft, had limited manpower, and most importantly were being bankrupted by the expense. Hitler should of never declared war on the US after Pearl Harbor. He actually had sentiment in his favor in some circles of the US. The two or three front war Germany fought was also his downfall.
Posted on 7/25/14 at 11:56 pm to Nativebullet
Yes, but it would have taken a lot longer
Posted on 7/26/14 at 12:49 am to Nativebullet
I doubt Germany would have ever successfully invaded Britain regardless, they simply didn't have the necessary naval strength.
However, had America not joined the fight AND Hitler had the foresight to not invade Russia and piss off Stalin, Germany would probably have retained control of most of mainland Europe and northern Africa. Once he invaded Russia his fate was sealed, and ultimately I think even without us England and Russia would have worn them down. It would have taken MUCH longer however.
However, had America not joined the fight AND Hitler had the foresight to not invade Russia and piss off Stalin, Germany would probably have retained control of most of mainland Europe and northern Africa. Once he invaded Russia his fate was sealed, and ultimately I think even without us England and Russia would have worn them down. It would have taken MUCH longer however.
Posted on 7/26/14 at 1:43 am to Nativebullet
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When I was a kid, I was under the impression we won the war alone
This is not correct.
Before the U.S. jumped in, the Soviets were already marching westward against Germany. Even after the U.S. joined in, the Soviets still got to Berlin first. The main thing American involvement did was keep the Soviets from taking over Western Europe in the process.
As for the Pacific front, Japan was getting bogged down in China much like Germany was bogged down in the USSR. In fact, the Japanese attack on Pearl Harbor was an act of desperation to buy time, due to them running low on oil supplies. Eventually, China would have driven Japan out and taken over the rest of Japanese-occupied Asia. The main American accomplishment in this theater was keeping the Chinese from taking over all of that land after kicking the Japan out.
For what it's worth, since the European theater fighting ended first, the Soviets then got involved in this theater too and began taking over northern China from the Japanese. Ultimately, U.S. involvement here also limited Soviet expansion.
Posted on 7/26/14 at 1:59 am to Nativebullet
Yes, they would. Britain by themselves would have worn down Germany. The Soviet Union would have wrecked shite like they did. I'm assuming the US wouldn't have gotten involved if Japan hadn't attacked, so we're assuming Japan didn't, so no attack on them would have been necessary.
Posted on 7/26/14 at 4:58 am to Nativebullet
Amc doesn't play documentaries like that. Are you talking about the longest day? Great movie no doubt. No way the allies would win without the u.s. Britian wasn't stupid. Look at their casualty rate compared from World War I to II
Posted on 7/26/14 at 9:42 am to Nativebullet
Nobody could have handled Japan in the Pacific.
However, Russia pretty much handled the Germans from Stalingrad on - that was years before we opened up Italy and France.
Perhaps they would have run out of steam and settled on splitting Poland (more favorably Stalin's way) by 1946 or 1947.
Of course, we did logistically support the Russians - so if you remove America completely from the equation either lend/lease, or the other things we did pre-Pearl Harbor, and the more robust logistical things we did from December 1941 until we got our feet underneath us in early 1943 - maybe it goes the Germans way - it is difficult to say because of the massive scope and complexity of the war.
To put it in perspective, when you lay the war's pure volume next to all other wars fought before and since, combined, it dwarfs them. It is, by far, the most significant 6 years of conflict in all of human history. We are still feeling its effects some 70 years later.
However, Russia pretty much handled the Germans from Stalingrad on - that was years before we opened up Italy and France.
Perhaps they would have run out of steam and settled on splitting Poland (more favorably Stalin's way) by 1946 or 1947.
Of course, we did logistically support the Russians - so if you remove America completely from the equation either lend/lease, or the other things we did pre-Pearl Harbor, and the more robust logistical things we did from December 1941 until we got our feet underneath us in early 1943 - maybe it goes the Germans way - it is difficult to say because of the massive scope and complexity of the war.
To put it in perspective, when you lay the war's pure volume next to all other wars fought before and since, combined, it dwarfs them. It is, by far, the most significant 6 years of conflict in all of human history. We are still feeling its effects some 70 years later.
This post was edited on 7/26/14 at 9:43 am
Posted on 7/26/14 at 12:01 pm to Nativebullet
no.
England would have fallen. Had Japan focused on the USSR instead of the US, I think the Axis may have pulled it off.
Especially if Hitler decided to stay completely out of the United State's sphere of influence.
Of course then they would have invaded us in the 60's or 70's according to some great works of ALT history.
England would have fallen. Had Japan focused on the USSR instead of the US, I think the Axis may have pulled it off.
Especially if Hitler decided to stay completely out of the United State's sphere of influence.
Of course then they would have invaded us in the 60's or 70's according to some great works of ALT history.
Posted on 7/26/14 at 12:36 pm to Nativebullet
You have to wonder if the Germans could have held off the russians if the US wasn't putting troops not he ground in the west.
I think they would at least have and a stalemate with Russia.
I think they would at least have and a stalemate with Russia.
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