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re: Will Obama grant de facto amnesty to 5 million people?
Posted on 7/26/14 at 12:23 am to Geaux-2-L-O-Miss
Posted on 7/26/14 at 12:23 am to Geaux-2-L-O-Miss
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That's why we have press 3 for French 4 for Italian 5 for German and so on. I have no problem with people wanting to immigrate into America and assimilate with the culture. Be proud of where you are from. Look at the Italian-Americans, they celebrate their heritage but at the same time respect all that America is and stands for. This current wave of immigrants does not appear to want to assimilate. The assimilation (out of many one) is what has made America great. The perceived resistance to assimilation is what will bring America down. IMHO
But Geaux, the Italians didn't all learn English in one generation. And they all lived in the same neighborhoods. Same for the Chinese, etc. The next generation does speak English and they do become more "American". It takes time, it always has.
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Posted on 7/26/14 at 12:29 am to papasmurf1269
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So what is your definition of immigration reform.
papa, I certainly have no expertise on what skills are needed in our workforce now and in the future. That would be a big part of setting the policy on work visas, path to citizenship, etc. Likewise there has to be policies in granting asylum. There has to be a hard look at what will work and what will it cost for border security, etc. It's time for an honest look and opinions of experts and then common sense in developing reform legislation. That said, I still don't think it is possible to deport the 11m+ that are here in the country.
Posted on 7/26/14 at 12:33 am to wfeliciana
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Yep low wage jobs that US citizens won't do. Remember when Ga and AL passed their tough immigration laws. The farmers and landscapers in both states raised hell because there was no one to work. The US citizens didn't last a day in those jobs. I don't know where you live or what you see, but I see a lot of really hardworking people. A massive deportation would be extremely costly to this country, just the actual act of deportation would cost as well as being nearly impossible just due to the numbers (over 11 million). Not to mention that those workers, low wage or not, buy food, buy gas, buy clothes just like we do. 11 million people no longer spending money would definitely hurt the economy. Not to mention all of those that are actually working and paying taxes.
Subject hijack. It appears that you would agree that there is no need for an increase in the minimum wage since it would be extremely costly to this country. Additionally, I assume you are for welfare reform since American citizens can't last a day in those jobs. Maybe if those citizens you are referring to worked a bit harder they could last more than a day. Nobody ever said work was easy, that's why it's called work and not play.
Posted on 7/26/14 at 12:37 am to wfeliciana
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antibarner, don't you think the country is almost bilingual now? Go into Walmart--signs in Spanish and English, Lowe's same way. Look at some products, packaging is usually in both languages. It's been happening for years. What's the big deal? Travel the world and you'll see multiple languages in stores, etc. The growth of Spanish speaking population in the US is just the world getting smaller, doesn't mean the end of the US.
Language isn't the problem. Low income workers and their families that push the welfare systems to the brink will be a problem.
And after allowing millions of poor folks to become legal, many who support will scream about the growing income inequality.
Posted on 7/26/14 at 12:43 am to Geaux-2-L-O-Miss
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Subject hijack. It appears that you would agree that there is no need for an increase in the minimum wage since it would be extremely costly to this country. Additionally, I assume you are for welfare reform since American citizens can't last a day in those jobs. Maybe if those citizens you are referring to worked a bit harder they could last more than a day. Nobody ever said work was easy, that's why it's called work and not play.
Actually I do think minimum wage should be increased. There are too many working poor in this country. I also see that problem with the under 30 crowd that are working two low paying jobs yet still need help to make it.
Those American citizens that could not last a day? They didn't want to do that nasty job. I have no idea whether they were on food stamps or not. Yes work is work and manual labor is very hard work. I think that says something about the Hispanic work ethic that they are glad for those jobs and work hard. I hear a lot on this board about welfare reform, but I often think the focus is on the worst offenders and not the rest of the folks. Any system will be abused by some. I'm sure there are some things that need to be reformed but I doubt it is to the degree that many on this board would advocate.
Posted on 7/26/14 at 12:47 am to antibarner
quote:We need to better identify the skills we need and improve the worker visa program to encourage laborers from our neighbors. We also need to make the program more difficult for some "high skill" firms to import people under the pretense that they actually have higher skills. Also, when the visa ends, they should go home as well.
And why do we need so called immigration reform? All we need to do is enforce the laws we have. There is nothing wrong with immigration, as long as it is controlled and legal. We cannot afford this invasion, we have Americans aplenty that need help as it is.
Posted on 7/26/14 at 12:49 am to wfeliciana
Over time we can deal with the 11 million that are here, what we need right now is to stop any more from coming.
One way to start is to deport any of them that commit crimes. Add judges and start the hearings, no matter how long it takes. If they are not here legally. out they go.
One way to start is to deport any of them that commit crimes. Add judges and start the hearings, no matter how long it takes. If they are not here legally. out they go.
Posted on 7/26/14 at 12:49 am to RogerTheShrubber
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Language isn't the problem. Low income workers and their families that push the welfare systems to the brink will be a problem.
And after allowing millions of poor folks to become legal, many who support will scream about the growing income inequality.
You know Roger though they are already here, all 11 million of them. Some are not low wage (the recent reporter that revealed he was illegal and did not know it for example). Those that are undocumented can't get welfare. Yes they go to ERs and to school and there are costs with that. But they are also spending money on food, clothes, gas, etc. The immigrant will struggle, their children will do better.
Posted on 7/26/14 at 12:50 am to wfeliciana
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Actually I do think minimum wage should be increased. There are too many working poor in this country. I also see that problem with the under 30 crowd that are working two low paying jobs yet still need help to make it.
Unemployment beats low wages, I assume. Because that's what will happen.
Posted on 7/26/14 at 12:55 am to RogerTheShrubber
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Unemployment beats low wages, I assume. Because that's what will happen.
I'm sorry I don't understand what you mean. Are you saying that what will happen is they won't work rather than work low paying jobs? If that's it, well sure there will people that do that. But there are people out there right now working hard at several jobs and just making it. Some of them have college degrees.
Posted on 7/26/14 at 1:03 am to wfeliciana
quote:Nah, there's still a bunch of dumb asses who can't figure out Spanish and pretend that they're being defiant.
antibarner, don't you think the country is almost bilingual now?
Posted on 7/26/14 at 1:13 am to wfeliciana
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Actually I do think minimum wage should be increased. There are too many working poor in this country.
You do realize that every time the minimum wage is increased the number of working poor also increases. When minimum wage is increased those that are making above minimum wage will see a small increase in wages but not enough to offset the cost of goods that are associated with the wage increase. Thus, bringing those workers closer to the working poor level that the increase was supposed to help. Lately the call is for $15/hour minimum. That's fine and dandy but the guy making $18/hr isn't going to get a $7/hr raise but most of the stuff he buys will increase in price making him poorer than he was before the increase.
Posted on 7/26/14 at 1:15 am to wfeliciana
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Actually I do think minimum wage should be increased. There are too many working poor in this country. I also see that problem with the under 30 crowd that are working two low paying jobs yet still need help to make it. Those American citizens that could not last a day? They didn't want to do that nasty job. I have no idea whether they were on food stamps or not.
If the illegal immigrants who do the low wage work were deported, businesses would be forced to pay a wage sufficient to attract enough workers to sustain their business. That in itself would drive the effective minimum wage up. Prices of goods and services would increase to their natural level. Of course, we would also need welfare reform so people would be forced to actually work if physically able. In this scenario unemployment drops, wages rise, income inequality narrows - all things one would think the left would like to see. Amnesty and unchecked immigration worsens the plight of the poor.
Posted on 7/26/14 at 1:22 am to ChEgrad
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If the illegal immigrants who do the low wage work were deported, businesses would be forced to pay a wage sufficient to attract enough workers to sustain their business.
Really believe that? I sure don't. All that you say makes theoretical sense, but it isn't reality and wouldn't be reality.
Posted on 7/26/14 at 1:23 am to ballscaster
Why should I have to figure it out? Now if I were to visit Central America or wherever, I should be expected to and have no problem with speaking the language of that country.
This wave of illegals expects us to accommodate them. They have no intention of fitting in.
This wave of illegals expects us to accommodate them. They have no intention of fitting in.
Posted on 7/26/14 at 1:24 am to antibarner
And if the low wage workers were gone, the people that want those type jobs done will either pay more or they'll have to do it themselves.
Posted on 7/26/14 at 1:25 am to wfeliciana
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Unemployment beats low wages, I assume. Because that's what will happen.
I'm sorry I don't understand what you mean. Are you saying that what will happen is they won't work rather than work low paying jobs? If that's it, well sure there will people that do that. But there are people out there right now working hard at several jobs and just making it. Some of them have college degrees
If you raise min. wage enough to actually make a difference it will lead to an increase in unemployment. A slight bump doesn't help or hurt anyone. Low wages are relative to cost of living as well.
Posted on 7/26/14 at 1:27 am to antibarner
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And if the low wage workers were gone, the people that want those type jobs done will either pay more or they'll have to do it themselves.
Yep the farmers would have labor problems, there would be less harvested, the prices of the produce would greatly increase, some farmers would go bankrupt.
Posted on 7/26/14 at 1:28 am to RogerTheShrubber
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If you raise min. wage enough to actually make a difference it will lead to an increase in unemployment.
Why?
Posted on 7/26/14 at 1:31 am to antibarner
quote:A pot dealer can learn spanish over the weekend. You've undoubtedly spent more time than that bitching about how you shouldn't have to learn spanish. The joke's on you. You're either too stupid to learn it or too stupid to realize that you can almost accidentally learn it. Either way, you're a patriot and a hero, and we're all impressed.
Why should I have to figure it out? Now if I were to visit Central America or wherever, I should be expected to and have no problem with speaking the language of that country. This wave of illegals expects us to accommodate them. They have no intention of fitting in.
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