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re: Who is the most glaring omission from NFL HOF?
Posted on 7/6/14 at 2:01 am to LooseCannon22282
Posted on 7/6/14 at 2:01 am to LooseCannon22282
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Roger Craig
Big fan but he doesn't belong in the Hall. Just doesn't.
I think running backs should make it in on their ability to create themselves.
Craig was not a transcendent back - and yes, I hate system arguments - but the passing game of Walsh and Montana created Craig and they used him as a change of pace.
T. Davis was awesome but he also doesn't belong because the next two backs - journeymen - did almost as well under Denver's system...not to mention that T.D. had a very short life span as a one cut back.
Running backs need to change the daily game by themselves to be hall worthy IMO.
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Posted on 7/6/14 at 2:03 am to sms151t
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Who is the most glaring omission from NFL HOF?
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2 Time All Pro
I loved me some Charles Haley but 2 All-Pro selections doesn't cut it IMO.
Posted on 7/6/14 at 2:05 am to KyleOrtonsMustache
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Kenny Stabler.
He's got more INT's than TD's but remember he was playing drunk most of the time.
Or the 70's.
The most difficult era to play QB by far...by far.
Which is why Staubach is so underrated.
70's allowed defenses to maul QB's receivers. Of the Top 10 defenses of all time in points allowed....8 of them occurred in the 1970's.
Posted on 7/6/14 at 2:21 am to Zamoro10
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Or the 70's.
The most difficult era to play QB by far...by far.
Which is why Staubach is so underrated.
70's allowed defenses to maul QB's receivers. Of the Top 10 defenses of all time in points allowed....8 of them occurred in the 1970's.
They also ran WAY more back then which is why I can't agree it was "by far...by far" the hardest era. It might be harder today because you have to throw so much more!
Posted on 7/6/14 at 2:29 am to lsu480
They ran because it was so difficult to pass.
Today is basketball on grass - pasing-wise.
The Dead Ball Era (c. 1960 to 1977)
Defenses adapted to the new form of football, and by the late 1960s, they dominated the game. In the early 1960s, scoring in the NFL was comparative to scoring in the modern NFL (even if passing remained less common).
But it grew increasingly tougher to score over the next 15 to 18 years. The stingiest defenses in modern NFL history all played in this era. The Dead Ball Era bottomed out in 1977 with rule changes to prohibit DBs from manhandling receivers at the line of scrimmage (Mel Blount rule) and beyond, in a year that featured both the best scoring defense and worst scoring offense in modern NFL history.
The 1977 season also featured the single lowest league-wide passer rating of the past 49 years (60.7), providing further evidence that 1977 was in fact the depths of the Dead Ball Era. The Dead Ball Era is defined by guys like Ken Stabler and Bob Griese. Their numbers may be unimpressive by today's standards, but in many cases, they were mind-boggling in the context of their era.
Average league-wide passer ratings:
1960s – 69.4
1970s – 65.2
1980s – 74.4
1990s – 77.3
2000s – 79.1
Today is basketball on grass - pasing-wise.
The Dead Ball Era (c. 1960 to 1977)
Defenses adapted to the new form of football, and by the late 1960s, they dominated the game. In the early 1960s, scoring in the NFL was comparative to scoring in the modern NFL (even if passing remained less common).
But it grew increasingly tougher to score over the next 15 to 18 years. The stingiest defenses in modern NFL history all played in this era. The Dead Ball Era bottomed out in 1977 with rule changes to prohibit DBs from manhandling receivers at the line of scrimmage (Mel Blount rule) and beyond, in a year that featured both the best scoring defense and worst scoring offense in modern NFL history.
The 1977 season also featured the single lowest league-wide passer rating of the past 49 years (60.7), providing further evidence that 1977 was in fact the depths of the Dead Ball Era. The Dead Ball Era is defined by guys like Ken Stabler and Bob Griese. Their numbers may be unimpressive by today's standards, but in many cases, they were mind-boggling in the context of their era.
Average league-wide passer ratings:
1960s – 69.4
1970s – 65.2
1980s – 74.4
1990s – 77.3
2000s – 79.1
This post was edited on 7/6/14 at 2:39 am
Posted on 7/6/14 at 2:39 am to Zamoro10
I know it was harder to pass but that doesn't mean it was harder to be a QB. Today's QBs have to deal with WAY more plays, formations etc than they did in the 70s which is why I said it might be harder to play QB today.
Posted on 7/6/14 at 6:09 am to lsu480
Archie Manning.
Posted on 7/6/14 at 6:40 am to Big Sway
Bobby Hebert
Posted on 7/6/14 at 7:46 am to ctiger69
Johnny Robinson
thread\
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quote:
Major Accolades and Awards:
Pro Bowl/AFL All Star Selections (7) (1963, 1964, 1965, 1966, 1967, 1968 & 1970)
First Team/AFL All Pro Selection (6) (1965, 1966, 1967, 1968, 1969 & 1970)
Second Team/AFL All Pro Selection (6) (1963, 1964 & 1971)
Most Interceptions (2) (AFL 1966 & NFL 1970)
Most Interception Return Yards (1) (AFL 1969) AFL All Time Team AFL Championship Rings (3) (Dallas Texans, 1962 & Kansas City Chiefs, 1966 & 1969) Super Bowl Ring (1) (Kansas City Chiefs, Super Bowl IV)
Other Points of Note: Top Ten Finishes: Interceptions (6) (AFL 1965, 1966, 1967, 1968, 1969, NFL 1970) Notable All Time Rankings: 11. Interceptions: 57 38. Interception Return Yards: 741
Posted on 7/6/14 at 7:49 am to danfraz
It's probably some OL who is not even known well enough to get on this list.
Posted on 7/6/14 at 8:11 am to sms151t
Ken Anderson.
Posted on 7/6/14 at 8:13 am to LooseCannon22282
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still surprised Roger Craig hasn't made it in either.
seemed like he was a solid all-purpose back.
Solid doesn't get you into the HOF.
Also, compare his numbers to Rickey Watters' numbers and get back to me.
This post was edited on 7/6/14 at 8:19 am
Posted on 7/6/14 at 8:25 am to Sophandros
Randy Gradishar
Averaged 14 tackles a game for his career
7 Pro Bowls
5 times All Pro
NFL defensive POY
Ridiculous that he isn't in. His numbers blow away Singletarys.
Averaged 14 tackles a game for his career
7 Pro Bowls
5 times All Pro
NFL defensive POY
Ridiculous that he isn't in. His numbers blow away Singletarys.
Posted on 7/6/14 at 8:37 am to sms151t
Jim Plunkett
Posted on 7/6/14 at 9:15 am to Sophandros
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Also, compare his numbers to Rickey Watters' numbers and get back to me.
yeah, didn't realize Watters had more rushing yards. But he also had 2,622 carries while Craig only had 1991 carries in his career.
Watters had more TD's rushing and that is always a sexy stat.
Craig had more receptions and yardage, receiving TD's.
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Solid doesn't get you into the HOF.
point made. Just saw the thread, and up with those names off the top of my head. Terrell Davis would be a definite had he not got hurt. I know Denver seemed to plug in who ever they wanted at RB after he left and they seemed to have success.
but Davis was unstoppable there for a few seasons. Also got the big time accolades that the other ones didn't. I mean how many league& super bowl mvp's did Olandis Gary and Mike Anderson have?
Posted on 7/6/14 at 9:25 am to LooseCannon22282
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its just dude accomplished so much in such a short time.
well yeah bc their o-line cut blocked...
Posted on 7/6/14 at 9:31 am to chalmetteowl
Every OL cuts
Posted on 7/6/14 at 9:31 am to Zamoro10
it is a shame that what happened in the 70s influenced such a generation of analysts and coaches who still want to play an outdated game...
Posted on 7/6/14 at 10:38 am to chalmetteowl
Jerry Krammer
Posted on 7/6/14 at 10:41 am to auyushu
Roger Craig
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