This is sort of a problem for me. I have a really huge issue with parenting. You don't own your children and you can't just teach them anything. That's tantamount to child abuse. I know that sounds extreme, but at what point is a child being taught and at what point is he being indoctrinated?

The more frequently I hear about awful parents, the more certain I am that we should have some kind of public school system.

It's a bizarre place to be. Freedom is sort of incredibly important; it's essential to a truly human life. It also can allow for incredible cruelty and subjugation without ever truly breaking a moral law.

Anyway, let's step away from that. I went to a school that taught this sort of nonsense, and it created more atheists than not. It's not effective.

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Posted on 7/4/14 at 11:21 pm to FT

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Posted by Scruffy

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Posted on 7/4/14 at 11:24 pm to FT

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at what point is a child being taught and at what point is he being indoctrinated?

There is no separation. For a parent to raise a child, they will indoctrinate them with their way of thinking, purposely or not.

The issue is whether or not the rest of society agrees w/ what they are being taught.

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The more frequently I hear about awful parents, the more certain I am that we should have some kind of public school system.

And that system will indoctrinate the children with a specific viewpoint. The only time people don't consider it indoctrination is when they agree w/ what is being taught.

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It's a bizarre place to be. Freedom is sort of incredibly important; it's essential to a truly human life. It also can allow for incredible cruelty and subjugation without ever truly breaking a moral law.

Freedom is neutral. Man is either positive or negative, and that often depends on society's personal opinion at that time.

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I went to a school that taught this sort of nonsense, and it created more atheists than not. It's not effective.

Well, if this is the case, would it not be prudent to continue the practice considering that it does more harm to the YEC cause than good?

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Posted by Roger Klarvin

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Posted on 7/4/14 at 11:26 pm to FT

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You don't own your children and you can't just teach them anything.

Parents should be allowed to teach their kids whatever they want about the origins of life and humanity. Schools shouldn't, but you cant start legislating what parents can and cannot tell their kids about the natural world (assuming they aren't telling them their purpose is to kill others or some such dangerous garbage).

The hope is that society advances to the point where such beliefs are so scorned and so positively laughable in a public setting that nobody is willing to hold them anymore.

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Posted by Tiguar

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Posted on 7/4/14 at 11:27 pm to FT

I was homeschooled and taught YEC, grew up and went to college and now professional school. It had zero impact on my development, personally. I cannot fathom why so many people get so upset over beliefs people have regarding how we came about as long as they understand genetics, adaptation, etc.

smart people will be smart regardless.

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