re: Young Earth Creationism and Public Schools...

You cant throw together multiple unrelated scientific principles, slap a few pretty words around them and call it a point.

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You cant throw together multiple unrelated scientific principles, slap a few pretty words around them and call it a point.

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"Unrelated scientific principles".

And I'm spouting gibberish.

I'd be willing to go out on a limb here, and posit the idea that a Universal Axiom...would be that there is NOTHING that is "unrelated". Not that it matters to the joe on the street. Or whomever. Matters a lot to me.

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Should we cut out those parents' tongues, simply jail them, or just burn a bunch of A Beka Books

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How about let's just keep them out of classrooms.

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How about let's just keep them out of classrooms.

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How does that work with home schooling?

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I already said I'm not sure how I'd address this.

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You address it by addressing it, not running from it, not shutting it down. If it's a slam dunk, slam dunk the damn thing!

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Can you explain why you believe this, preferably without the subjective biblical narrative?

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My positions;

- God created the universe out of nothing (ex nihilo) for His purpose and plan.
- I am created in the image of God.

I work from those two positions forward and outward in how I view the universe.

That is the best place to start.

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I understand that, I'm asking WHY you believe that. What reason do you have for believing the earth is young and that evolution never occurred? What reason do you have for accepting the premise that God, and specifically the God of the Bible, created everything and if he did why he did it in the last 10,000 years?

If your honest with yourself, I believe the only truly objective answer is that it's because it's what you've been taught.

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It is called world view. You have one as well (as evidenced by your post). You view everything forwards and outwards based upon that world view. What you have been taught. You see all evidence in that light. As do I.

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It is called world view. You have one as well (as evidenced by your post). You view everything forwards and outwards based upon that world view. What you have been taught. You see all evidence in that light. As do I.

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What I believe about God and the universe is actually very different than what I was taught, and in many cases directly contradictory. I was taught similarly to how you were in fact.

I believe what I believe largely through years of personal reflection, study and attempts to better understand science and existence. Can you say the same?

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If your honest with yourself, I believe the only truly objective answer is that it's because it's what you've been taught.

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Everyone has biases. It colors their interpretation of data, and their synthesis of data with other data.

The bible as a primary source of information is a good place to start though. Its internal consistency is remarkable. Its recorded number of fulfilled prophecies is astounding. As is its explanatory power for so much of the world around us. It also has tremendous explanatory power for things that an atheistic viewpoint does not, such as the origin of the universe, the origin of life, morality, beauty.

I am not a young earth creationist at this point, fwiw, although I have held that position before. Now I find old earth creationism to be more consistent with both the bible and the book of nature.

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Can you say the same?

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Absolutely Roger.

I am quite settled (and comfortable) in my world view. Is there any reason you would believe that I did not come to my position without the same degree of thought and reflection that you did? Am I somehow a lesser form of humanity because I believe an all poweful God created the universe? Somehow less rigorous in my thought process? Less intelligent? Is that what you are insinuating?