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re: Youth Coaches - Cutting a Player
Posted on 6/17/14 at 6:34 am to Asharad
Posted on 6/17/14 at 6:34 am to Asharad
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Your child won't play pros just because he's more athletic than mi. at age 9.
Very true. Some mature earlier than others and the ones who are ballers at theat age usually get passed athletically by the time they're in the 7th grade.
The weaker kids get stronger and grow taller while some have peaked athletic wise at the age of 9 it 10.
Posted on 6/17/14 at 6:35 am to Tuscaloosa
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I didn't know this was a thing.
quote:It is. OP is talking about the USSSA programs probably. It is a crap system filled with over zealous dads who think they know how to coach baseball simply because they played high school ball when they were younger.
quote: I coach youth baseball at a competitive level
Posted on 6/17/14 at 6:36 am to One Story House
This is a stupid white person problem.
Posted on 6/17/14 at 7:13 am to Scruffy
Probably true to a certain degree...but in my experience many play travel ball because the rec leagues appoint "buddies" to be coaches and they teach kids incorrectly. REC coaches are most likely to be the ones who played HS ball and that was it. They are also the ones who most likely are reliving their childhood through their kids.
If your child loves the game and wants to improve, put them in a position to get quality coaching, play with kids who play at a higher level, and on a team where he has to work hard everyday just to get playing time. If not willing to do this....play REC ball...where everyone has to play.
If your child loves the game and wants to improve, put them in a position to get quality coaching, play with kids who play at a higher level, and on a team where he has to work hard everyday just to get playing time. If not willing to do this....play REC ball...where everyone has to play.
Posted on 6/17/14 at 7:25 am to partsman103
You have to admit, these threads are always funny.
Posted on 6/17/14 at 7:34 am to partsman103
Your assumption about the coaches are pretty much the opposite of all my experiences. The REC coaches are more likely to be a dad who volunteers to be there with their kid and help them and their teammates learn while having fun, or the dad who doesn't work shift work so he gets nominated head coach b/c he can make all the practices. It's the guys paying $1000+ for their 8 year old to play "tournament ball"(this somehow seems to be thought of as it's own sport)that are the ones that go overboard b/c they are trying to accomplish something through their kids. I was talking to one of these such coaches recently and his main topic of conversation was how much the trophy weighed in the next tournament they were playing. He said "those other guys(tournament hosts) are going to have to step up their game." My child loves the game and definitely works hard to improve, but you can't improve if you aren't playing. Why would anyone want their young kid on a team strictly b/c he has to work harder to get playing time? I would prefer to have him working hard while playing. There is a time and place for everything. Repetition of fundamentals should be the main focus, b/c one day the 8 year old that hits a bunch of fly ball triples/HRs is going to get passed by the one who can out run a deep ground ball to short.
Posted on 6/17/14 at 7:34 am to One Story House
The solution is that the parents of the sucky kids realize how sucky their kids are and approach you after the season and say "I think my kid just cant keep up, and it's obvious. We'll move him to a team where we fill he be a little more competitive next year. BTW, we're BBQ'ing at the house this afternoon if you want to come over. Beer is on me." Anything other than that exact scenario and you will not be friends anymore.
Posted on 6/17/14 at 7:37 am to WFTiger
Stupid idiots paying thousands for their 8 year Olds to play travel ball. Then giving up all their weekends to be a shirty baseball fields amongst other idiot parents. They are the worst parents on my opinion
Posted on 6/17/14 at 8:10 am to Tiger Ryno
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Stupid idiots paying thousands for their 8 year Olds to play travel ball. Then giving up all their weekends to be a shirty baseball fields amongst other idiot parents. They are the worst parents on my opinion
Worse than the parents that don't spend any time with their kids and let them sit on the couch playing xbox all day getting fat?
I agree that it can get out of hand but my son is lucky to be on a team where the coach moves players around, gives everyone plenty of playing time and emphasizes having fun. At both of the parties the coach has had at his house following tournaments, the boys started their own pickup wiffle ball game. Our boys are playing because this is what they enjoy. If they win some, great. If not, not big deal.
Posted on 6/17/14 at 8:39 am to mt1
Having friends who have girls, I hear that competition cheerleading is getting worse than tournament ball.
What happened to the days where you played baseball in Spring/early Summer, Football in late Summer/Fall and Basketball in the Fall/Winter? I see too many kids playing one sport year round. That has to get boring quick.
What happened to the days where you played baseball in Spring/early Summer, Football in late Summer/Fall and Basketball in the Fall/Winter? I see too many kids playing one sport year round. That has to get boring quick.
Posted on 6/17/14 at 8:42 am to LSUDAN1
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Nothing beats daddy ball.
Yep. It gets pretty amusing actually seeing so many dads thinking their kid is a good ball player. I have no illusions mine is in the bottom quarter in baseball and middle of the pack in football.
The son of one of our assistants plays QB and is likely the 5th or 6th best option on the team.
Posted on 6/17/14 at 8:48 am to WFTiger
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Why would anyone want their young kid on a team strictly b/c he has to work harder to get playing time?
Because in my experience -
rec practices usually last an hour because other teams need the field to practice.
Travel ball practices are 2-3 hrs which gives kids equal reps and coaches aren't worrying about time limits....and neither are the kids.
The time to improve is during practice, not game days.
I'm sure not all rec leagues are the same but in our area....rec ball is terrible because qualified people who want to coach aren't selected. The board selects buddies who are limited in the knowledge of the game. Also kids who really want to excel do not want to be on a team where john boy is terrible and is playing because its a league rule and or daddy wants his son to play ball even though johnny is better suited staying home playing minecraft.
Posted on 6/17/14 at 8:56 am to Tiger Ryno
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Stupid idiots paying thousands for their 8 year Olds to play travel ball. Then giving up all their weekends to be a shirty baseball fields amongst other idiot parents. They are the worst parents on my opinion
1.5/10
Posted on 6/17/14 at 8:58 am to LSUDAN1
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What happened to the days where you played baseball in Spring/early Summer, Football in late Summer/Fall and Basketball in the Fall/Winter? I see too many kids playing one sport year round. That has to get boring quick.
IMHO the worst is soccer. It cost me 3x as much for ypd soccer as it does for travel baseball. The damn season already last about 6 months. Now Chicago Fire decided to start a summer league that they suggest all ydp players join. They already had winter camps. When my son moves to competitive at the end of next year, the cost double and the season extends possibly another month or two.
Patrick Mullins was one of the best kids from this state (possibly ever?) and all he plays is MLS. He didn't even go to Europe. It keeps my son healthy but seems pointless in the long run. Most major Universities don't even have a men's soccer program.
Posted on 6/17/14 at 9:01 am to mt1
More kids should get exposed to t&f early IMO.
Posted on 6/17/14 at 9:06 am to partsman103
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Because in my experience -
rec practices usually last an hour because other teams need the field to practice.
Travel ball practices are 2-3 hrs which gives kids equal reps and coaches aren't worrying about time limits....and neither are the kids.
The time to improve is during practice, not game days.
I'm sure not all rec leagues are the same but in our area....rec ball is terrible because qualified people who want to coach aren't selected. The board selects buddies who are limited in the knowledge of the game. Also kids who really want to excel do not want to be on a team where john boy is terrible and is playing because its a league rule and or daddy wants his son to play ball even though johnny is better suited staying home playing minecraft.
I guess our local REC league is much better than what you describe; however, they do break it up into Select and Draft. Select play is competitive where Draft is more watered down. The Draft is the league where a Dad is forced to coach where Select has coaches that most times are Dads but some or just guys who like to coach. The select league does have teams that have try outs but most of the kids are hand selected through friendships/relationships. Both my boys played on a select league team this year but we were a draft team the year before. We lucked up and got some pretty good players. When we went to Select we didn't cut any kids. It was our jobs to coach them up and the team was very competitive and won a bunch of games this springs. The select League is still not on same level as Travel Ball but there are some really good players in the league.
This post was edited on 6/17/14 at 9:12 am
Posted on 6/17/14 at 9:12 am to partsman103
quote:To be totally fair, this statement is very true. But at the same time, I think the mentality of "it's only rec ball" has had a lot to do with it. When we ONLY had rec ball, the teams were very competitive b/c everyone was playing together. Then money came into the picture. People made it a business and saw that they could profit off of parents by telling them how 'travel ball' would be better for their kids. Slowly more and more players left their rec leagues which naturally watered them down. Especially in the more populated/higher income areas. Everyone is free to do as they please, but I think their is a misconception that 'rec ball' is for those that can't play, and that 'travel ball' is the only way you'll ever play HS baseball. I live out away from all that and have never had to deal with a board that selects coaches(when I was a kid and now as a coach). The mentality of the coach you have can make a huge difference on learning. I'm a 2hr practice coach. If we can't get a field for that long, meet me in that open grass lot this weekend and we'll catch fly balls for 2 hrs. If I don't do everything I can to get improvement out of my players, then I failed, not them. All 11 players I have are my son for however long they are on my team. There is no "coach's kid" b/c they are all mine for that time period. It's just that 10 are lucky they don't have to live with me.
I'm sure not all rec leagues are the same but in our area....
Posted on 6/17/14 at 10:40 am to RBWilliams8
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"Raise your hand if you're ready to play on the team next year!!!"
:everyone raises hand:
"Not so fast billy, javier and Jamal".
I appreciate the racial diversity here.
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