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Posted on 6/10/14 at 8:31 pm to Clark W Griswold
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I get sick of old people sucking his memory cock. Cannon was great for his time but wouldn't come close to making NFL today.
I don't think you understand the type of specimen he was.
Posted on 6/10/14 at 8:41 pm to Clark W Griswold
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Clark W Griswold
You can't be serious.
Posted on 6/10/14 at 9:05 pm to bobbyleewilliams
The Heisman is an individual award but most Heismans have been won by teams in a position to win a NC (ie. Tony Smith and Mark Ingram).
I'm just gland the stars alined for us in 1959 when BC made his fameous punt return to beat Ole Piss and we got one.
I'm just gland the stars alined for us in 1959 when BC made his fameous punt return to beat Ole Piss and we got one.
Posted on 6/10/14 at 9:06 pm to Clark W Griswold
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Clark W Griswold
Posted on 6/10/14 at 9:20 pm to geauxnavybeatbama
His artistry would still hold up.
Posted on 6/10/14 at 9:27 pm to geauxnavybeatbama
My vote is yes, as long as you make a fair comparison for everyone. If you're comparing him then to players now, then A lot of his peers from that playing time wouldn't even make today's teams. Cannon still would.
Posted on 6/10/14 at 9:31 pm to Shamet48
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A lot of his peers from that playing time wouldn't even make today's teams. Cannon still would.
like a lot of the current day players leaving early, and then being hugely disappointed? or go back a little further and see some undersized guys playing like monsters for us in the late '60's, early '70's, that's even more subjective than the Cannon argument
Posted on 6/11/14 at 1:20 am to 777Tiger
Didn't realize Marcus Dupre and Cannon were both from the same hometown of Philadelphia, MS. Seems we should have been in the running a bit more for "The Best that Never Was" you would think. Prob weren't offering what the big boys at that time in the 80's were. Lol
Just read he moved when he was young to Baton Rouge. My fault. Dupre probably still has never heard of him even today.
Just read he moved when he was young to Baton Rouge. My fault. Dupre probably still has never heard of him even today.
This post was edited on 6/11/14 at 1:34 am
Posted on 6/11/14 at 2:03 am to geauxnavybeatbama
I'm going to tell you like i tell a lot of people when this kind of thing is brought up. You can't really judge a guy 30+ years ago to a guy now. The level of competition is way higher than it was back then. A hand timed 4.3 back then is a combine 4.45-5, The average RB going to the NFL runs in the 4.5s at 200-225. How many players you knew were 6'5-6'6 300+ coming out of high school? How many DEs were 6'6 240, 250, running in the 4.6s? How many LBs you knew at 6'2-6.4 230-240lbs running 4.5-4.65? How many TEs you knew who were 6'5-6'6 240-260 running in the 4.6s and 4.5s? Our entire starting secondary in 2011 ran in the 4.5s or faster at the combine. People say it all the time about how they are marveled at these huge giants fast and physically ready as sophmores and juniors in high school.
You can't compare. They were great in their time because they were more athletic than anybody else, now those types of athletes are littered everywhere. Sure you had your ridiculous even by today's standards recruits like Jackson and Campbell and Walker, etc, but a lot of these greats are only that great because of the era in which they played.
This post is not to bash the older guys, but there is a difference.
You can't compare. They were great in their time because they were more athletic than anybody else, now those types of athletes are littered everywhere. Sure you had your ridiculous even by today's standards recruits like Jackson and Campbell and Walker, etc, but a lot of these greats are only that great because of the era in which they played.
This post is not to bash the older guys, but there is a difference.
This post was edited on 6/11/14 at 2:10 am
Posted on 6/11/14 at 3:16 am to geauxnavybeatbama
Would be destroyed.
Any old athlete in any sport would be on the practice squad compared to today's freak athletes.
No disrespect, and all the old great ones would whip my but, but it's true.
Any old athlete in any sport would be on the practice squad compared to today's freak athletes.
No disrespect, and all the old great ones would whip my but, but it's true.
Posted on 6/11/14 at 5:18 am to Celery
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Any old athlete in any sport would be on the practice squad compared to today's freak athletes.
No disrespect, and all the old great ones would whip my but, but it's true.
You're brush is way too broad.
JC, with modern training would still be a freak. Same with Butkus, Sayers, Nitschke, etc..
Read the entire thread.
I'm sure all the old ones would whip your butt this very day.
This post was edited on 6/11/14 at 5:20 am
Posted on 6/11/14 at 5:24 am to geauxnavybeatbama
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but I don't think he would hang with modern athletes.
His size and speed fit. And they gave a Heisman to fricking Ingram and nearly gave one to Te'o. Of course Cannon would be considered.
Posted on 6/11/14 at 5:48 am to TN Bhoy
Cannon was the biggest and fastest on a national championship LSU team, so imagine Herman Johnson with Trindon Holiday's speed. I think a player like that would be successful in today's game.
Posted on 6/11/14 at 6:17 am to victoire sécurisé
Some folks just don't understand the paradigm.
Posted on 6/11/14 at 6:49 am to lsu2006
Cannon could/would make NFL teams on Offense at 2 or more positions, Defense at any secondary position, and special teams.
He was a personal project of Alvin Roy (BR) then the strength coach of the USA track and field and weightlifting teams. Roy was convinced if Cannon bulked up he would be the strongest man in the world or if he slimmed down the fastest man in the world.
Johnny Lynch (RIP) dean of SEC refs for 20 years thought he had no equal on the football field.
He was a personal project of Alvin Roy (BR) then the strength coach of the USA track and field and weightlifting teams. Roy was convinced if Cannon bulked up he would be the strongest man in the world or if he slimmed down the fastest man in the world.
Johnny Lynch (RIP) dean of SEC refs for 20 years thought he had no equal on the football field.
Posted on 6/11/14 at 10:38 am to 11thACR
The next person who says he didn't play against black players needs to be throat-punched.
He DID play against black players and was very successful.
How would he be today against today's players- who the hell knows- but I would assume his training regimen would allow him to keep up with the bigger/stronger/faster players of today.
These debates are silly, because he only really needs to be judged by how he did when he played against the competition of his time.
I'm sure theres a lot of scientists smarter now that Einstein was. Do we say "Einstein is over-rated because he would not be up to snuff with today's scientific geniuses"?
He DID play against black players and was very successful.
How would he be today against today's players- who the hell knows- but I would assume his training regimen would allow him to keep up with the bigger/stronger/faster players of today.
These debates are silly, because he only really needs to be judged by how he did when he played against the competition of his time.
I'm sure theres a lot of scientists smarter now that Einstein was. Do we say "Einstein is over-rated because he would not be up to snuff with today's scientific geniuses"?
This post was edited on 6/11/14 at 10:39 am
Posted on 6/11/14 at 11:44 am to SportsGuyNOLA
Nothing has changed in the genetic makeup of humans. A naturally gifted athlete back then would still be a naturally gifted athlete today. The difference is all in the training. So anyone who was a freak would still be a freak today if they used modern training.
I would argue that BC may not be the standout specimen he was, however he'd still be an effective player today. It's certainly tough to judge, and the field is absolutely littered with freaks now. To stand out on the field today, you have to be at a level that the majority of us can't even understand.
I would argue that BC may not be the standout specimen he was, however he'd still be an effective player today. It's certainly tough to judge, and the field is absolutely littered with freaks now. To stand out on the field today, you have to be at a level that the majority of us can't even understand.
Posted on 6/11/14 at 11:55 am to Celery
So you are saying Wilt would only be a practice squadder? Jim Brown? Johny U? JORDAN? Won't get into the Cannon argument, but will say he played 90% + both ways in an era when substitions were severely limited. Coach Dietzel always said that to him, the greatest thing about the punt return was the fact that Cannon was in that great a shape to make it happen in the 4th quarter on a nite when the heat & humidity were off the charts & he had only been off the field for a few plays the whole game. And he was also All SEC & an All American in track. But your comment bout old timers just shows your age.
Posted on 6/11/14 at 12:05 pm to 777Tiger
quote:I disagree. Assuming he brought his same playing style with him to 2014, it would not transition well into today's game. Just too much speed and play-calling is more complex. Way more size and speed on D today.
There really is no way to judge how good he would be in today's game.
This post was edited on 6/11/14 at 12:09 pm
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