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re: *OFFICIAL* Fringe M/TV Board rewatch thread (current episodes discussion p. 60)
Posted on 7/18/14 at 8:18 pm to ChallboiMatt
Posted on 7/18/14 at 8:18 pm to ChallboiMatt
Well....that happened.
I started out with you guys....then got too far ahead in the first week so I thought I would wait a few weeks till you caught up.
After 80 episodes of Dr Katz, 5 seasons of West Wing, 8 seasons of Midsomer Murder and The Vicar of Dibley, I realized you guys were finishing season 1.
I jumped into action and I am just about caught up.
Funny how I still hate the things I hated in my first watch such as lock picking officers of the law, Agent Asshat Sexual Assaulter Harris and Agent Scott (Mark Valley is the most boring man on the planet).
Even funnier how I was so sick of Harris I was about to give up when POOF, he went up in flames. Truly one of the most satisfying ends to an asshat in TV history.
From this point forward, I will strive to watch the allotted episodes on time.
I started out with you guys....then got too far ahead in the first week so I thought I would wait a few weeks till you caught up.
After 80 episodes of Dr Katz, 5 seasons of West Wing, 8 seasons of Midsomer Murder and The Vicar of Dibley, I realized you guys were finishing season 1.
I jumped into action and I am just about caught up.
Funny how I still hate the things I hated in my first watch such as lock picking officers of the law, Agent Asshat Sexual Assaulter Harris and Agent Scott (Mark Valley is the most boring man on the planet).
Even funnier how I was so sick of Harris I was about to give up when POOF, he went up in flames. Truly one of the most satisfying ends to an asshat in TV history.
From this point forward, I will strive to watch the allotted episodes on time.
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Posted on 7/18/14 at 8:33 pm to TigerMyth36
thanks for the bump.
now I'm not sure if this was made clear, but ZFT is kidna the start of William Bell's attempt to recreated the universe? I think it is possible that Belly took advantage of Walter creating a hole between universes, but I can't think of a starting point when Belly put his plan into action to create a new universe with super humans and super animals.
I'm also guessing the super animal that we dealt with a few episodes ago somehow has belly's finger prints all over it.
I've always been interested why they pushed Massive Dynamic being involved in so many of the cases, but Nina was always willing to help and turned out to be a friend in the end. I'm guessing that ties into Belly's ultimate plan.
Note: I'm still paying attention to the back and hidden story of the observers, I still hold to the theory that somehow September is the puppet master of it all, but he does it so well that you can't really see it till much later.
now I'm not sure if this was made clear, but ZFT is kidna the start of William Bell's attempt to recreated the universe? I think it is possible that Belly took advantage of Walter creating a hole between universes, but I can't think of a starting point when Belly put his plan into action to create a new universe with super humans and super animals.
I'm also guessing the super animal that we dealt with a few episodes ago somehow has belly's finger prints all over it.
I've always been interested why they pushed Massive Dynamic being involved in so many of the cases, but Nina was always willing to help and turned out to be a friend in the end. I'm guessing that ties into Belly's ultimate plan.
Note: I'm still paying attention to the back and hidden story of the observers, I still hold to the theory that somehow September is the puppet master of it all, but he does it so well that you can't really see it till much later.
This post was edited on 7/18/14 at 8:36 pm
Posted on 7/18/14 at 9:24 pm to catholictigerfan
I've been dealing with some health bullshite all this week, but have been catching up over the last couple of days. The end of season one picks up a lot. I'm makin notes in my phone as I watch the episodes. RDJ, ZFT, the bald boy, etc...lots of good shite going on. Should be caught up with the thread (end of S1) by Sunday and ready to discuss Monday.
Such a great show. I know I say this a lot, but I forget sometimes just how good it really was.
Such a great show. I know I say this a lot, but I forget sometimes just how good it really was.
This post was edited on 7/18/14 at 9:26 pm
Posted on 7/18/14 at 10:27 pm to CocomoLSU
Thought I was having a stroke with Unearthed.
Odd that they filmed it at the end of season 1.
I guess they couldn't get it edited in time to stick in season 1 so they dropped it in as the 11th episode of season 2. Can't think of any other reason not to show it earlier in season 1.
Odd that they filmed it at the end of season 1.
I guess they couldn't get it edited in time to stick in season 1 so they dropped it in as the 11th episode of season 2. Can't think of any other reason not to show it earlier in season 1.
Posted on 7/19/14 at 2:06 pm to CocomoLSU
a-little late but here are my thoughts on each episode.
Episode 16: These were not one of my favorite episodes not because it was poorly done I liked how it was done, but I've never been good with scary stuff and this episode has a little bit of that. Watching someone walk through the woods knowing they are about to be attacked by the monster. Doesn't settle to well with me.
Episode 17: This is where they really begin to work towards the final episode and future episodes, we meet our first cortexifan patient outside of olive. So it was exciting to meet Nick who will play a major role in the future. Episode was very good.
Episode 18: more ZFT stuff is great and it is a very good episode. One of my favorite part of the episodes is when Peter is looking for the women they are all looking for using a thermal imaging sensor and someone comes up to him what is that. "its a (name of thingy) and it tells me if someone is hot, and your hot, but your not who we are looking for" But again great episode really setting up the last couple episodes where ZFT is really getting involved.
For the next couple episodes I'm going to pay attention to how William Bell is involved, while I think the show a lot of times tries to paint him as a good guy I think he is in fact behind ZFT but does it in a way that is hard to tell if he in fact is behind it.
Episode 16: These were not one of my favorite episodes not because it was poorly done I liked how it was done, but I've never been good with scary stuff and this episode has a little bit of that. Watching someone walk through the woods knowing they are about to be attacked by the monster. Doesn't settle to well with me.
Episode 17: This is where they really begin to work towards the final episode and future episodes, we meet our first cortexifan patient outside of olive. So it was exciting to meet Nick who will play a major role in the future. Episode was very good.
Episode 18: more ZFT stuff is great and it is a very good episode. One of my favorite part of the episodes is when Peter is looking for the women they are all looking for using a thermal imaging sensor and someone comes up to him what is that. "its a (name of thingy) and it tells me if someone is hot, and your hot, but your not who we are looking for"
But again great episode really setting up the last couple episodes where ZFT is really getting involved. For the next couple episodes I'm going to pay attention to how William Bell is involved, while I think the show a lot of times tries to paint him as a good guy I think he is in fact behind ZFT but does it in a way that is hard to tell if he in fact is behind it.
Posted on 7/19/14 at 6:12 pm to catholictigerfan
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"its a (name of thingy) and it tells me if someone is hot, and your hot, but your not who we are looking for"
"You're hot, but I'm looking for someone with syphilis."
Just watched that part.
Posted on 7/19/14 at 9:42 pm to CocomoLSU
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"You're hot, but I'm looking for someone with syphilis."
Just watched that part.
yeah it was great.
hope to catch the finale tomorrow.
Posted on 7/20/14 at 11:50 am to catholictigerfan
walter seems to have knowledge of all sciences chemistry, biology, physics
Posted on 7/21/14 at 7:13 am to jamsmiley
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walter seems to have knowledge of all sciences chemistry, biology, physics
and all science that relates to his friend gene.
Posted on 7/21/14 at 8:18 am to catholictigerfan
Okay, watched about 6 or 7 episodes near the end of last week, and I had to make myself stop and not get into season two. I really liked how the end of season one took shape...really great IMO.
I forgot how much Broyles used to lie to Olivia. Seems like every other episode he was just holding something back from her or straight up lying to her face.
I remember the "werewolf/spiked creature on the plane" episode from when it originally aired, and I really liked that one.
I love how every time Olivia gets into the tank, they talk about how dangerous it is, and how much more dangerous it is getting.....yet they keep putting her back in there over and over.
I had forgotten about ZFT/technology manuscript. But now that I'm seeing it, I remember it and how it starts setting up the jumping back and forth between universes. Also had forgotten about Walter's typewriter and how he (or Bell) were the ones who had written it, and Bell is funding it.
Also getting MUCH more into Liv and the cortexiphan and all of that.
I like the rewatch because I'm catching a lot of comments here and there that seem innocuous but have bigger meanings, especially about the alternate universes. Comments like Peter giving the little bald kid his old GI Joe and saying "But I swear I remember the scar being on the other side of his face.." Wheelchair dude (whose wife was the vampire thing) asking Walter how far he'd go for someone he loves. Walter referencing his "filing system" and Astrid talking about how he likes to hide things all over the country and inside his walls. All of these things are gonna come up BIG in later seasons, especially season five. It's cool catching those kinds of comments this time around when I missed them the first time.
Great end to a solid first season.
So where do we go from here? Do I just assign the start of season two for this week? I know originally some people wanted to maybe take a week off in between seasons to discuss, but the discussion seems to not continue strongly without episodes to watch...
Also, how does this set up for season two? I remember several overall plot arches with the show, but not exactly where they fall season-wise. I assume season two gets into the whole dual universe thing, and how each universe is causing the other to collapse. And obviously the big reveal that this Peter is actually alternate Peter.
I forgot how much Broyles used to lie to Olivia. Seems like every other episode he was just holding something back from her or straight up lying to her face.
I remember the "werewolf/spiked creature on the plane" episode from when it originally aired, and I really liked that one.
I love how every time Olivia gets into the tank, they talk about how dangerous it is, and how much more dangerous it is getting.....yet they keep putting her back in there over and over.
I had forgotten about ZFT/technology manuscript. But now that I'm seeing it, I remember it and how it starts setting up the jumping back and forth between universes. Also had forgotten about Walter's typewriter and how he (or Bell) were the ones who had written it, and Bell is funding it.
Also getting MUCH more into Liv and the cortexiphan and all of that.
I like the rewatch because I'm catching a lot of comments here and there that seem innocuous but have bigger meanings, especially about the alternate universes. Comments like Peter giving the little bald kid his old GI Joe and saying "But I swear I remember the scar being on the other side of his face.." Wheelchair dude (whose wife was the vampire thing) asking Walter how far he'd go for someone he loves. Walter referencing his "filing system" and Astrid talking about how he likes to hide things all over the country and inside his walls. All of these things are gonna come up BIG in later seasons, especially season five. It's cool catching those kinds of comments this time around when I missed them the first time.
Great end to a solid first season.
So where do we go from here? Do I just assign the start of season two for this week? I know originally some people wanted to maybe take a week off in between seasons to discuss, but the discussion seems to not continue strongly without episodes to watch...
Also, how does this set up for season two? I remember several overall plot arches with the show, but not exactly where they fall season-wise. I assume season two gets into the whole dual universe thing, and how each universe is causing the other to collapse. And obviously the big reveal that this Peter is actually alternate Peter.
Posted on 7/21/14 at 9:33 am to CocomoLSU
You touched on a lot of good points. It's very cool to see the subtle references to the other side, with knowing what we know now. There's also Peter's coin from "another place" that September pointed out. Peter swearing the GI Joe figure's scar was on the other side is sort of odd, since he really doesn't claim to remember much from those years. I kinda wish he'd make more statements like that, from time to time.
I've already started the next season myself, but I'm not very far along. To all of those that might care, a major character from Continuum makes an appearance pretty early on in Season 2. I didn't realize that until now
I've already started the next season myself, but I'm not very far along. To all of those that might care, a major character from Continuum makes an appearance pretty early on in Season 2. I didn't realize that until now
Posted on 7/21/14 at 9:51 am to gjackx
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You touched on a lot of good points. It's very cool to see the subtle references to the other side, with knowing what we know now. There's also Peter's coin from "another place" that September pointed out. Peter swearing the GI Joe figure's scar was on the other side is sort of odd, since he really doesn't claim to remember much from those years. I kinda wish he'd make more statements like that, from time to time.
I've already started the next season myself, but I'm not very far along. To all of those that might care, a major character from Continuum makes an appearance pretty early on in Season 2. I didn't realize that until now
well one of the biggest hints that there is another side and another peter that you won't get on the first watch through is when Walter is remembering peters past and something that would seem to be pretty important, and peter says your right I don't remember any of it. Clearly Walter is blending his peter with Walternates peter.
Now before episode 20 the Finale was there any clear signs of a alternate universe? Or was the truck from the other side the first sign of it? I know charlie couldn't make sense of it but it always seems that charlie didn't really believe anything about fringe science.
On a slighly unrelated note, this final episode really cleared up my september is kidna the puppet master of this entire story. Nina showed up at broyels house and said you remember the last time what happened when he started showing up. So far every time I've done where's the observer it has looked like september. The fact that September is helping Walter to prevent DRJ from crossing sides I think gives credence to my theory. I know September will largely stay in the background for the next couple of seasons but we will find out little more by little more.
But here is my theory. The entire reason that September got involved with our timeline is to help Walter bring the child observer to the future to stop the observers all together. So September is making sure that this happens that is why he is involved so much in this show behind the scenes so to speak.
This post was edited on 7/21/14 at 9:52 am
Posted on 7/21/14 at 9:54 am to CocomoLSU
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I forgot how much Broyles used to lie to Olivia. Seems like every other episode he was just holding something back from her or straight up lying to her face.
The reason I like Broyles so much is you get the feeling he is protecting Olivia more than straight out obfuscating. I had enough of that nonsense with Skinner in X-Files.
I was beginning to get that uneasy feeling of X-Files repetition when out of the blue they killed off that Asshat Harris which was a huge turning point for me with the show.
The tank was used too much. Hell, the damn thing never even sent Olivia to the hospital. Given the dire warnings, there should have been some consequences of the 47 uses of the tank, even it all they did was show her spend the night in the hospital for evaluation.
The tank was just an excuse to get some T&A action from Olivia.
Posted on 7/21/14 at 10:03 am to catholictigerfan
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The entire reason that September got involved with our timeline is to help Walter bring the child observer to the future to stop the observers all together.
The original plan wasn't to help Walter do that...he was the backup plan. September was the one that was going to do this.
Posted on 7/21/14 at 11:42 am to catholictigerfan
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Now before episode 20 the Finale was there any clear signs of a alternate universe? Or was the truck from the other side the first sign of it? I know charlie couldn't make sense of it but it always seems that charlie didn't really believe anything about fringe science.
I don't think there was anything concrete, just musings from ZFT for example, and maybe an offhand comment here and there. And you're right, Charlie never did really buy into much of what the Fringe team was investigating, not even after bing attacked by that creature thing.
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But here is my theory. The entire reason that September got involved with our timeline is to help Walter bring the child observer to the future to stop the observers all together. So September is making sure that this happens that is why he is involved so much in this show behind the scenes so to speak.
Well yeah...September, for whatever reason, got attached to this timeline and its people (like saving younr Peter from drowning, for example) and tried to save it from collapsing, right? he's always been around observing, and interfering, and that's what gets him into trouble with the other Observers later in the series, the fact that he dabbled when he shouldn't have, right?
Posted on 7/21/14 at 11:43 am to TigerMyth36
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The tank was just an excuse to get some T&A action from Olivia.
She looked pretty smoking though.
Posted on 7/21/14 at 12:24 pm to CocomoLSU
Started season 5 last night. Peter and Olivia's daughter is hot. That is all
Posted on 7/21/14 at 12:43 pm to CocomoLSU
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he's always been around observing, and interfering, and that's what gets him into trouble with the other Observers later in the series, the fact that he dabbled when he shouldn't have, right?
well yeah and this show really pushed the butterfly effect I remember one episode where they traced out what happened after peter died a lightning bug he caught cause the death of another child. The observers where there to make sure nothing changed with the timeline to protect themselves, September I believe is doing the exact opposite.
We all know about Septembers involvement in the timeline but I don't ever remember if they made it clear he played a major role from the beginning.
Posted on 7/21/14 at 12:44 pm to Cap Crunch
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Started season 5 last night.
Well damn, I thought I was ahead...
Posted on 7/21/14 at 12:46 pm to gjackx
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The original plan wasn't to help Walter do that...he was the backup plan. September was the one that was going to do this.
Yeah I remember this now.
It just amazing how clear this becomes when you watch from beginning to end a second time. I was watching episodes not in order after I watched the entire show it is different when you start from the beginning.
oh and another thing about rewatching fringe LINK
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