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re: Getting solar panels today!!

Posted on 3/22/15 at 5:18 pm to
Posted by Sho Nuff
Oahu
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Posted on 3/22/15 at 5:18 pm to
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I live in a loft and probably always will unless I get a family so solar panels aren't an option for me.

Community solar is coming along and will be big for people like you in condos or people that rent, etc. Nearby will be a big solar farm and you'll pay half of what you do now, possibly lower.
Posted by Sho Nuff
Oahu
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Posted on 3/22/15 at 5:20 pm to
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I need enough solar panels to run a small window unit in a dog house. I am tired of letting them in during July, August, and September when it's 100+ out but I also don't want to pay the bill to run a unit 24/7.


You're in SLA? How many BTU's is the window unit? Does it say the SEER or EER on it? I could probably tell you what you need.
Posted by Sho Nuff
Oahu
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Posted on 3/22/15 at 5:20 pm to
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Good luck with the roof leaks.

Can't let this one go..

Posted by stout
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Posted on 3/22/15 at 5:25 pm to
I haven't bought the unit yet or built the house. I am weighing my options but probably a 12000 BTU unit. I am going to use foam to insulate the house but they will have an opening that they can get in and out of so I will need to oversize the unit to compensate. I will hang some plastic flaps like they do in warehouses to help keep some of the air in and keep flies out. It will also run 24/7 during the peak months.

ETA: I will also add a box fan or two to help circulate the air.

ETA2: While you're at it please tell me what I would need to add to my shop to run this if I built an office in it.

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It's a metal insulated shop and the office will also be insulated. That is also oversized a bit bigger than the office would be.
This post was edited on 3/22/15 at 5:29 pm
Posted by Sho Nuff
Oahu
Member since Feb 2009
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Posted on 3/22/15 at 5:29 pm to
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12000 BTU unit

Damn, how big is this house going to be? Your dogs have the life
Posted by stout
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Posted on 3/22/15 at 5:30 pm to
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Damn, how big is this house going to be? Your dogs have the life






That's the largest I would go to help compensate for the door opening I will have to leave. Probably a 10x12 area for four dogs. 8,000 BTU might even do it. I just don't want to go too small because that would be pointless. I always overdo.
This post was edited on 3/22/15 at 5:32 pm
Posted by windmill
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Member since Dec 2005
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Posted on 3/22/15 at 5:34 pm to
It won't be functional in 12 years"

You don't know this, dickweed. Just more drivel.
Posted by Sho Nuff
Oahu
Member since Feb 2009
11931 posts
Posted on 3/22/15 at 5:36 pm to
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While you're at it please tell me what I would need to add to my shop to run this if I built an office in it.


There you go, a Mitsubishi split A/C is awesome. A 24,000 BTU unit covers about 600-800 Sq Ft. You could do a 12,000 BTU unit most likely unless you're going that big? Actually, a 9,000 would be enough as it covers about 200-300 Sq Ft.

Anyway, a 9,000 BTU Mitsubishi with a 21 SEER would cost you about $30/month to run it 24 hours a day based on 10 cent per kWh. That's $95 here in Oahu
Posted by Ponchy Tiger
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Posted on 3/22/15 at 5:36 pm to
Ok explain how it's good to drill holes into your roof. I am listening?
Posted by stout
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Posted on 3/22/15 at 5:41 pm to
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Ok explain how it's good to drill holes into your roof. I am listening?




You don't have vents in your roof? There aren't thousands of tiny holes in metal roofs?

Hell, I have seen roofs leak through the ridge vents. Did you know squirrels chew on led jacks? Can't tell you how many leaks I have seen because of that.

If done properly, you shouldn't have any issues with panels installed on your roof.

The biggest issue I could see is having to take it all down if you ever have to reshingle so I wouldn't install them unless my roof was fairly new.
Posted by stout
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Posted on 3/22/15 at 5:42 pm to
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Anyway, a 9,000 BTU Mitsubishi with a 21 SEER would cost you about $30/month to run it 24 hours a day based on 10 cent per kWh. That's $95 here in Oahu




What sort of solar power will I need for it? Looking at about 350 sq ft total but again it's in a hot metal shop so I am going a little bigger to compensate.
This post was edited on 3/22/15 at 5:44 pm
Posted by Sho Nuff
Oahu
Member since Feb 2009
11931 posts
Posted on 3/22/15 at 5:47 pm to
Anyway, this could be a little fuzzy math because I have to convert you from Hawaii costs to LA costs and I don't know your sun zone there, but I would think about a 450 zone especially in the summer.

So you would need about 8 PV panels (270 watts) if you wanted to run the A/C 24 hours a day all year. But since you're looking at running it for maybe 5 months? then you can cut that in half if you net meter. If you use battery storage, I wouldn't know the exact numbers but I would think it should be close to the same.
Posted by Sho Nuff
Oahu
Member since Feb 2009
11931 posts
Posted on 3/22/15 at 5:49 pm to
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Looking at about 350 sq ft total but again it's in a hot metal shop so I am going a little bigger to compensate.

Go for the 12,000 BTU then and maybe do 5 PV panels at 270 watts. If you use those 140 watts you linked, you'll need 10 and that's not taking into consideration the lower efficiency.
Posted by stout
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Posted on 3/22/15 at 5:49 pm to
Dang, not nearly as much as I figured.

It would pay for itself fairly quick.
Posted by Sho Nuff
Oahu
Member since Feb 2009
11931 posts
Posted on 3/22/15 at 5:52 pm to
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Dang, not nearly as much as I figured.

It would pay for itself fairly quick.


Solar is worth it. Keep in mind, that's with net metering. If you go battery, I think it would be close but battery storage is still a little expensive as of now and more maintenance. Although, there are lots of breakthroughs happening.
Posted by stout
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Posted on 3/22/15 at 5:54 pm to
I have been reading up on it and for smaller systems people seem to be using golf cart batteries since they are the cheapest deep cycle batteries you can buy.
Posted by Sho Nuff
Oahu
Member since Feb 2009
11931 posts
Posted on 3/22/15 at 5:58 pm to
There's someone on here I know that has a smaller system that will include everything and the cost is great after tax credit (about $1,200). Would work perfect for what you want to do.

I think they're still doing some testing on it, but it will be ready soon.
Posted by VetteGuy
Member since Feb 2008
28472 posts
Posted on 3/22/15 at 6:07 pm to
Compromising the roof system is my single biggest reason for not doing it, tbh.

With a foamed attic, every penetration would have to hit a rafter. Then, what do the panels do under wind load? We already know the installation of panels would void the shingle warranty. (Admittedly, shingle warranties are pretty weak to start with.)
I'm not too concerned with the extra weight, but that s a consideration.
Posted by windmill
Prairieville, La
Member since Dec 2005
7048 posts
Posted on 3/22/15 at 7:08 pm to
Good luck with the roof leaks."

Every installer doesn't do it right. Okay-gotcha.
Posted by BigEdLSU
All around the south
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Posted on 3/22/15 at 7:35 pm to
Yes. They are federal they work anywhere in the states for fed liability,
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