re: Getting solar panels today!!

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I don't care for them for the sole reason that I don't want my house to look like shite

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Agree

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You don't know shite, but that's not really a surprise is it? And oh no, a company who installs solar dares to make money? The horror!

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Considering I have contractor pricing from several Solar reps, yeah, I do know shite. Being a overbearing dick here doesn't prove your point.

And yes, they will use PV Watts to generate an expected return based on historical data. However, they will use a higher system loss % to account for output reduction over whatever they warranty.

I'm not saying they shouldn't make money, a-hole, but when they are pushing REBATE in everyone's face to convince people that it's a good deal, then they suck, when it really isn't.

You sound like some petty installer who is using the rebate as a way to make a shitload more and providing your clients far less than they can actually get for the same $5,000 after the rebates.

He sounds like one by acting like no one knows anything but him.

Most systems I've seen quoted are 7KW with a central inverter(s) and 5.5KW with micro-inverters and both priced at $25,000

I know for a fact that I can push 12.5KW using micro inverters installed for the same $25,000/$5,000 rebate.

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If you can use the free sun to do the same power a dirty arse power plant can do and save people millions of dollars? Then fricking a right, I think it's bad. You don't get it, that's fine. Thankfully dinosaurs like you are slowly getting fewer and further.

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so..... why aren't we building solar energy plants?
I have nothing against solar power, unlike your hatred for oil, despite using it with just about everything you do on a daily basis.
Until we learn how to store massive amounts of energy, solar power is pretty useless, and we are no where near being able to store massive amounts of energy. This new battery tech you linked is 5x's better than lithium ion. Thats like saying hey, instead of using triple A batteries, we have these new D batteries that store 5x's more energy.
Electricity is something as a civilization, we really suck at creating, harnessing and storing, and it's holding us back. There's so much renewable energy on this earth, we just just have no idea how to harness it.

Why are you so against O&G? Are you that much of a tree hugger or did they do something to you specifically?
I got news for you, the day we learn how to harness, create and store energy to the point where we don't need oil and gas as much to power the things we need, those new energy companies will be Exxon Energy and Shell Energy.

What mounting system are you currently using on roofs? RT-E?

So this looks like we will find out if the technology has gotten any better or it still sucks.

i'm all for it.
I'm not here to bash it. we just suck at it and i wish we were better at electricity in general.
Nothing any of you have said contradicts that we suck at it.

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He sounds like one by acting like no one knows anything but him.

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I would love to have a conversation about it, but when people who don't know much come on and spout off about what a friend told them or what they read on the internet, it's a really futile exercise. You seem to have experience in getting quotes, do you think that means you know about the industry?

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Most systems I've seen quoted are 7KW with a central inverter(s) and 5.5KW with micro-inverters and both priced at $25,000

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There must be a difference with the tax credits since the system is smaller using micros instead of string. I don't know LA credits like I know Hawaii. But, let's work with the 7kW, you think $3.50 is a bad deal for a company to take care of all permits, products, install, taxes, overhead, etc?

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I know for a fact that I can push 12.5KW using micro inverters installed for the same $25,000/$5,000 rebate.

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So you and Bubba can do it for $2 a watt? Is he an licensed electrician? Do you know how to do everything, install, paperwork, etc? Can you get a great deal by just ordering a few panels and not using some Chinese POS? Because if so, then why don't you do it? $2 a watt is excellent.

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so..... why aren't we building solar energy plants?

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Teddy, I wish I could answer that. You could also ask our utility out here, HECO, why have they fought PV tooth and nail instead of building storage facilities and more solar farms. They could be making money at the same time reducing families electric bills from .37-.46 cents a kWh to maybe less than half that. We could stop importing millions of barrels of oil for our energy. All good things for the environment and people's wallets.

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I have nothing against solar power

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You sure?

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unlike your hatred for oil, despite using it with just about everything you do on a daily basis.

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I don't hate oil, I just it's insane for us to use it to power our homes when the sun is free right above our heads. Are you saying you wouldn't rather an alternative to paying monopolies electric rates and whatever gas costs are? Oil has its uses and I am far from a hater.

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Until we learn how to store massive amounts of energy, solar power is pretty useless, and we are no where near being able to store massive amounts of energy.

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It's happening already.

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This new battery tech you linked is 5x's better than lithium ion. Thats like saying hey, instead of using triple A batteries, we have these new D batteries that store 5x's more energy.

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Ahh, back to your short-sightedness? The liquid metal is capable of 10xs lithium-ion. You're arguing against facts and science with opinion.

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There's so much renewable energy on this earth, we just just have no idea how to harness it.

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But it is getting better, so if you're so into this, why are you saying everything sucks when it is already working for millions and doesn't "suck"?

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Why are you so against O&G? Are you that much of a tree hugger or did they do something to you specifically?

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Nobody would confuse me with a tree hugger. You're trying to bring this into me saying oil just sucks point blank when I never said the sort. But when there are ways to get away from oil for every single thing, then we should be going for it. If you don't think the free sun is better than other means to power homes, then you don't care about renewable. Wind, thermal, hydro, etc. There are lots of ways to rely less on oil.

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I got news for you, the day we learn how to harness, create and store energy to the point where we don't need oil and gas as much to power the things we need, those new energy companies will be Exxon Energy and Shell Energy.

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And that makes you warm and fuzzy inside, right? You ever heard of Apple or Tesla? Guess what, there will be plenty of companies making money and still saving people lots more money than now and it being clean energy.

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i'm all for it.
I'm not here to bash it.

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or it still sucks.

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we just suck at it

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that we suck at it.

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You do sound like a dickhead in this thread. You can get people to listen to you if that wasn't the case.

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Why don't you read the previous 14 pages. Quit acting like you've been so cordial. I am perfectly happy to debate with you or converse with you. But if you want to come across that you think everyone is out to screw you over, or like Teddy, that everything sucks, I will respond in kind. Fair enough?

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..and yes, I can build one for $2/watt if I jump on the right pallet deal on solar panels. And no, it isn't Chinese panels either.

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Tell me more about this, what panels? You can have a fully installed solar system with proper permits, not using Chinese or some other turd panels, using real quality products, taxes paid, labor, etc for $2/watt?

Sir, why aren't you in the business?